1 00:00:08,077 --> 00:00:10,355 Hey, it's just an interview. 2 00:00:13,944 --> 00:00:15,222 how are you feeling 3 00:00:16,326 --> 00:00:18,535 Not as good as you look. 4 00:00:18,570 --> 00:00:19,502 God. 5 00:00:19,536 --> 00:00:22,194 You look like Lex Luthor. 6 00:00:23,036 --> 00:00:24,036 what time is it 7 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:27,027 It's 11:45. 8 00:00:30,099 --> 00:00:31,652 Johnny, we have a target to hit today. 9 00:00:31,686 --> 00:00:32,448 which one is that 10 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:33,630 Before this trip to end. 11 00:00:33,654 --> 00:00:34,470 Yes. 12 00:00:34,471 --> 00:00:36,012 We need to find a title for this movie with you. 13 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,589 Wow, this is going to be hard. 14 00:00:37,623 --> 00:00:39,418 It will be really fun. 15 00:00:39,453 --> 00:00:42,180 Well, I have no damn idea. 16 00:00:42,697 --> 00:00:44,734 Not the slightest idea. 17 00:00:44,768 --> 00:00:45,873 can you say that again 18 00:00:45,907 --> 00:00:47,816 "Without curtains and hiding places. "Isn't that the right title? 19 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,059 "Johnny Winter: No Curtains and Hides?" 20 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:50,809 Yes. That's a good title. 21 00:00:51,844 --> 00:00:53,846 Hey Billy! 22 00:00:53,881 --> 00:00:56,056 - Are we leaving soon? - Yes. 23 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:57,678 About how long... half an hour? 24 00:00:57,712 --> 00:01:00,370 I already told you. I know that. He told me to tell you. 25 00:01:00,853 --> 00:01:02,165 I said 12:30. 26 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,281 Correct. He said that in about 20 minutes right? 27 00:01:04,305 --> 00:01:05,617 How are you rockers? 28 00:01:06,963 --> 00:01:08,206 Hey. 29 00:01:09,172 --> 00:01:11,071 hi johnny how are you 30 00:01:11,105 --> 00:01:13,728 Which was one of the suggestions for the title of the movie? 31 00:01:13,763 --> 00:01:17,007 I thought that "Without the curtain and hides ", seemed like a good title. 32 00:01:17,042 --> 00:01:19,055 "Without curtain and hiding: The Johnny Winter Story. " 33 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:20,563 - Yes. - It can be really cool. 34 00:01:20,597 --> 00:01:22,289 Describe your life. 35 00:01:22,323 --> 00:01:24,084 Yes, good. See not. 36 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:26,396 - It's pretty cool. - "Without curtain and hiding".. 37 00:01:30,952 --> 00:01:33,300 Yes, "Without curtain and hiding". 38 00:01:34,128 --> 00:01:35,716 Let's hear your version. 39 00:01:36,682 --> 00:01:37,959 No curtain and no hiding places. 40 00:01:37,994 --> 00:01:39,409 No curtains and no hiding places! 41 00:01:49,367 --> 00:01:51,407 A film "Without the curtain and hiding places" by Greg Oliver 42 00:03:10,344 --> 00:03:14,428 Johnny Winter: No curtain and no hiding places 43 00:04:14,944 --> 00:04:16,428 Does it work? 44 00:04:16,463 --> 00:04:18,050 Yes, it works. 45 00:04:39,348 --> 00:04:40,763 How good he was. 46 00:04:42,972 --> 00:04:45,630 I couldn't believe it when I heard it first time on Robert Johnson. 47 00:04:45,664 --> 00:04:48,426 Nobody could slide on the guitar so well. 48 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:51,429 I learned a lot of things listening to his records. 49 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:59,644 ♪ Save poor Bob if you please ♪ 50 00:05:06,616 --> 00:05:09,585 ♪ Tried to flag a laugh 51 00:05:16,799 --> 00:05:20,527 We believe he made a version of the song these, but it wasn't as good. 52 00:05:21,251 --> 00:05:22,598 He didn't even come close. 53 00:05:30,709 --> 00:05:34,610 Every blues singer in the world has sang the songs of Robert Johnson. 54 00:05:35,507 --> 00:05:36,957 But he remained the best. 55 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:40,340 Eric Clapton idolizes him. 56 00:05:43,273 --> 00:05:45,862 Nor can it not idolize Robert Johnson. 57 00:05:45,897 --> 00:05:47,761 If you like the blues, you will like robert. 58 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:21,795 Come here. I want to show you something. 59 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:23,417 I'm coming right away! 60 00:06:26,144 --> 00:06:27,179 Oh, isn't that beautiful? 61 00:06:27,214 --> 00:06:29,112 Mike had one for you too. 62 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:31,529 He didn't give me anything. I have bought a whole bag.. 63 00:06:34,808 --> 00:06:36,119 Oh! Oh, wonderful. 64 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:38,363 Welcome. 65 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:39,606 Hi, what are you doing? 66 00:06:40,192 --> 00:06:41,711 - Here. - Yes. 67 00:06:43,368 --> 00:06:44,576 And sign this too. 68 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:47,060 And this. 69 00:06:49,995 --> 00:06:51,652 Is it possible or... 70 00:06:51,687 --> 00:06:53,067 - Yes, sure. - Yes? 71 00:06:53,102 --> 00:06:54,414 - Yes. - And this. 72 00:06:55,863 --> 00:06:57,934 And here, and this. 73 00:06:59,004 --> 00:07:01,179 And it does this. 74 00:07:01,213 --> 00:07:03,353 - Smile! - We smile. 75 00:07:04,769 --> 00:07:07,357 - Maybe we'll see each other again. - Okay. 76 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:09,221 Great. 77 00:07:09,256 --> 00:07:11,510 You think that sometimes people bring it to you too many things to sign? 78 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:12,915 You're right, I do. 79 00:07:14,123 --> 00:07:16,755 ok johnny and for this hand, you can do… 80 00:07:16,756 --> 00:07:17,471 Okay. 81 00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:21,371 Um, one-handed or with both hands, how... 82 00:07:21,406 --> 00:07:22,752 would that be better for you? 83 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,661 Okay, you can stand up please also do squats? 84 00:07:35,524 --> 00:07:37,111 Okay, I'll count you. 85 00:07:37,146 --> 00:07:38,250 One... 86 00:07:38,768 --> 00:07:39,907 Two... 87 00:07:39,942 --> 00:07:40,942 Three... 88 00:07:41,357 --> 00:07:42,738 Four... 89 00:07:42,772 --> 00:07:43,772 Five... 90 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:45,741 Good. 91 00:07:47,363 --> 00:07:49,158 Perfect. 92 00:07:49,192 --> 00:07:51,355 You have to stay in position vertical as much as you can. 93 00:07:51,367 --> 00:07:52,092 Good. 94 00:07:52,748 --> 00:07:53,783 Perfect. 95 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:57,649 Very good. 96 00:07:57,684 --> 00:07:59,099 That wasn't too bad. 97 00:07:59,133 --> 00:08:03,103 If you try every day, it will get better day by day. 98 00:08:03,137 --> 00:08:04,829 Your muscles are now too short 99 00:08:04,863 --> 00:08:07,901 because you stayed too long... 100 00:08:07,935 --> 00:08:09,558 in a wrong position. 101 00:08:10,386 --> 00:08:12,492 It will also be a lot better for the lungs 102 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,633 because it will draw more air inside. 103 00:08:17,117 --> 00:08:19,706 Your arms are already bigger. do you see 104 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:23,226 Look at the muscles. Look to the arm, to the right arm. 105 00:08:23,261 --> 00:08:25,332 It's wonderful. 106 00:08:25,366 --> 00:08:28,438 It's obvious that the job of a guitarist is much more difficult than many others, 107 00:08:28,473 --> 00:08:30,774 because there are problems health-related, but 108 00:08:30,786 --> 00:08:32,960 and the age issue, and everything else, you know. 109 00:08:32,995 --> 00:08:36,792 If I had a crystal ball in which to see the future of all, 110 00:08:36,826 --> 00:08:39,484 and what they will do in life 111 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:44,316 I would have advised him what to do to keep his health 112 00:08:44,351 --> 00:08:46,111 It became something very educational for me. 113 00:08:46,146 --> 00:08:49,736 The results of helping someone who gave you so much music 114 00:08:50,357 --> 00:08:51,979 they are priceless. 115 00:08:52,014 --> 00:08:55,673 To sing with someone you have admired is also priceless. 116 00:08:55,707 --> 00:08:58,261 And there is also the desire to help, as strange as it sounds, 117 00:08:58,296 --> 00:09:00,540 to help... a friend. 118 00:09:06,925 --> 00:09:08,385 Do you want me to help you solve this problem? 119 00:09:08,409 --> 00:09:09,721 Yeah, well, come over here, buddy. 120 00:09:10,515 --> 00:09:12,552 Look, hold these pliers. 121 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,933 Okay, look grab this with the pliers. 122 00:09:14,968 --> 00:09:16,521 Good. 123 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,109 Stay like this. I can't catch him. 124 00:09:18,143 --> 00:09:20,214 Look, done. Okay, keep it that way. 125 00:09:20,249 --> 00:09:21,353 All right. 126 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:24,425 Stay in that position. 127 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:27,197 I'm not going to stay like this for too long time with this thing in hand. 128 00:09:27,221 --> 00:09:30,673 I have never been a manager and I could not never manage johnny 129 00:09:30,708 --> 00:09:32,917 I really can't. I can't do it because, 130 00:09:32,951 --> 00:09:36,610 I didn't have, uh, the means 131 00:09:36,645 --> 00:09:38,957 or patience, then to started, to start 132 00:09:38,992 --> 00:09:41,632 things differently and let's get everything at the stage we are in now. 133 00:09:41,995 --> 00:09:43,075 Okay, that's it, I think it's fixed. 134 00:09:43,099 --> 00:09:44,929 - Get back on the bus. - All right. 135 00:09:44,963 --> 00:09:46,240 Thank you. 136 00:09:49,174 --> 00:09:51,280 That's my boss. 137 00:09:51,314 --> 00:09:53,845 When I first saw Johnny, when i started singing with johnny 138 00:09:53,869 --> 00:09:56,330 the drummer wanted to know if he was able to go on tour. 139 00:09:56,354 --> 00:09:58,850 If it were OK to go out on the screenwriters and give a concert. Because... 140 00:09:58,874 --> 00:10:00,151 He doesn't look too good. 141 00:10:00,185 --> 00:10:02,947 Johnny singing back then, I would say about 90 pounds. 142 00:10:03,913 --> 00:10:06,985 You know, he was... he wasn't in a good mood. 143 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,367 Uh, still smoking, still drinking. 144 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:11,783 Lived on legal drugs, and all things related. 145 00:10:11,818 --> 00:10:15,062 It was hard for me to see him in that state because I liked the guy. 146 00:10:15,097 --> 00:10:17,996 But we all hoped we could get out of that state 147 00:10:18,031 --> 00:10:20,423 and slowly, slowly take it off under that medical treatment, 148 00:10:20,447 --> 00:10:22,345 he could go back to being the guy he once was. 149 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:24,002 Can we see Archie back? 150 00:10:24,037 --> 00:10:25,877 Oh, but what else do you want to watch? the Archie Bunker show? 151 00:10:25,901 --> 00:10:26,971 Yes. 152 00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:30,595 I loved that show so much 153 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,575 so that in case I had to go on stage 154 00:10:32,587 --> 00:10:34,310 we didn't sing until it happened finish the TV show. 155 00:10:36,256 --> 00:10:40,709 I met Johnny in 1996 when still working with his old manager, 156 00:10:40,743 --> 00:10:42,503 and it was... it was heartbreaking. 157 00:10:42,538 --> 00:10:46,887 Johnny was a walking skeleton, he was... incoherent, could not speak. 158 00:10:46,922 --> 00:10:50,028 So to start a tour with Johnny now... 159 00:10:51,409 --> 00:10:53,240 I regret a lot bad things happened 160 00:10:53,252 --> 00:10:54,906 before. I appeared at the right time. 161 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:57,104 ♪ Lighthouse across The deep blue water ♪ 162 00:10:57,139 --> 00:11:00,694 ♪ Lived an old German's daughter ♪ 163 00:11:00,729 --> 00:11:05,354 ♪ On the banks Of the old River Rhine ♪ 164 00:11:05,388 --> 00:11:11,601 ♪ Where I loved her And left her But I can't forget her ♪ 165 00:11:11,636 --> 00:11:15,157 ♪ She is my pretty Fraulein 166 00:11:16,365 --> 00:11:18,539 A lot of people are asks, "What is the blues?" 167 00:11:18,574 --> 00:11:21,715 And many people say: "Well, the blues, the blues…” 168 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,821 but I'll tell you what the blues is. 169 00:11:23,855 --> 00:11:26,133 When you have no money, 170 00:11:26,168 --> 00:11:28,549 then you have the blues. 171 00:11:28,584 --> 00:11:34,245 When you have no money to pay pay the rent, still got the blues. 172 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:36,903 A lot of people howl: "Not me don't like the blues at all," 173 00:11:36,937 --> 00:11:38,698 but when you have no money, 174 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:42,080 and I can't pay the house rent, and you can't even buy food 175 00:11:42,115 --> 00:11:45,221 you can be damn sure that you have the blues. 176 00:11:48,535 --> 00:11:52,228 My grandmother had a guy who take care of her yard 177 00:11:52,263 --> 00:11:53,861 and a maid to work in her kitchen 178 00:11:53,885 --> 00:11:56,346 and who were listening to the radio station with the black music of Beaumont, 179 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:58,096 KJAT. 180 00:11:58,131 --> 00:12:00,823 So I ended up listening and I KJAT all the time. 181 00:12:00,858 --> 00:12:02,514 What was that radio station? 182 00:12:02,549 --> 00:12:05,448 They were playing great music. Not anymore I had heard something similar before. 183 00:12:06,277 --> 00:12:07,485 I loved that music. 184 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,590 And what do you think attracted you to her? 185 00:12:09,625 --> 00:12:13,491 I don't know what it was. It was full of feelings. Of emotions. 186 00:12:14,595 --> 00:12:16,356 It was great music. 187 00:12:16,390 --> 00:12:19,048 It made me feel good when we listened to it. 188 00:12:27,436 --> 00:12:31,026 I can't imagine what it was like to hear those songs 189 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:35,755 before rock music that I grew up to exist, you know. 190 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:37,929 I have often wondered what it would be like 191 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:41,484 to hear Smokestack Lighting coming off the radio, 192 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:46,627 or the voice of Howlin' Wolf who scare everyone, you know? 193 00:12:46,662 --> 00:12:48,560 [Smokestack Lighting] 194 00:12:58,501 --> 00:13:00,987 Edgar: People tend to to watch the blues 195 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:05,715 as in something old, archaic, something that, you know it started a long time ago 196 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:10,962 and it already happened, you know forgetting that the blues always 197 00:13:10,997 --> 00:13:14,310 and continue to exercise this profound influence, 198 00:13:14,345 --> 00:13:19,005 in all the pop music we hear today. 199 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,042 Joe Perry: Most of our music is based on the blues 200 00:13:22,077 --> 00:13:24,873 where you can hear the real influences. 201 00:13:24,907 --> 00:13:29,601 Then there are those songs at who does not hear the familiar chords. 202 00:13:29,636 --> 00:13:32,984 Um, but you know where I'm coming from, you know. 203 00:13:33,019 --> 00:13:35,090 I know who they were stolen from. 204 00:13:35,124 --> 00:13:37,161 [Son House - Death Letter Blues] 205 00:13:51,382 --> 00:13:56,490 Billy: The blues has been cataloged in different types of expressions. 206 00:13:56,525 --> 00:13:58,182 It's the Country Blues, 207 00:13:58,216 --> 00:14:01,012 The emerging Chicago Blues when everyone in Mississippi 208 00:14:01,047 --> 00:14:05,120 and Louisiana, and Texas, have we all arrived in Chicago. 209 00:14:05,154 --> 00:14:08,192 Texas Blues wasn't necessarily electric. 210 00:14:08,226 --> 00:14:10,608 So were Mance Lipscomb, Lightnin' Hopkins, 211 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:15,578 which were what they were the minstrels of old. 212 00:14:15,613 --> 00:14:21,205 And then, of course, when you had the chance to connect to amplification 213 00:14:21,239 --> 00:14:23,966 it was just something "hotter". 214 00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:25,968 [Let's Boogie] 215 00:14:29,282 --> 00:14:30,973 Susan Tedeschi: When I got to college, 216 00:14:31,008 --> 00:14:33,400 I had started going to a store records called "The Stereo Jacks" 217 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,367 and I was even spending $200, sometimes when I used to go there. 218 00:14:35,391 --> 00:14:36,990 I came with my arms full with discs with, such as 219 00:14:37,014 --> 00:14:40,086 T-Bone Walker, Big Mama Thornton and Koko Taylor, 220 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,399 and Etta James, and Freddie King and Otis Rush. 221 00:14:43,434 --> 00:14:45,988 I was very surprised: "How come what haven't I heard from all of them, 222 00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:48,163 and why they are not winged on the radio every day? " 223 00:14:48,197 --> 00:14:50,475 Because for me, that it was powerful music. 224 00:14:51,373 --> 00:14:53,030 This is where Johnny Winter parks! 225 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:01,486 Damn, that's hard to agree with. 226 00:15:04,351 --> 00:15:05,663 To hell! 227 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:10,495 Now it's pretty good. 228 00:15:12,221 --> 00:15:14,637 Oh, that's not so hard on as it seemed it would be. 229 00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:17,468 - Oh, it's gonna be like a stab in the ass... - Oh, indeed it will be difficult. 230 00:15:19,677 --> 00:15:21,437 Okay, in case it's… 231 00:15:21,472 --> 00:15:22,621 OK, where's my... stuff? 232 00:15:22,645 --> 00:15:24,601 Look at your thimble and slide sleeve. 233 00:15:24,613 --> 00:15:25,769 Good. 234 00:15:25,821 --> 00:15:27,064 Come on, do your job. 235 00:15:36,038 --> 00:15:38,316 [Death Letter] 236 00:16:10,555 --> 00:16:13,179 Edgar: Johnny and I have started when we were kids, 237 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:16,354 let's play ukulele songs of the Everly Brothers, 238 00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:19,806 such as, Wake Up Little Susie and Hey, Bird Dog. 239 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,190 Johnny: My father was a very kind of guy musical. He played banjo and saxophone 240 00:16:24,224 --> 00:16:26,364 He taught me songs from the 20's and 30's. 241 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:30,782 Edgar: They quickly realized that Johnny and I were different. 242 00:16:30,817 --> 00:16:32,301 And they encouraged us. 243 00:16:32,336 --> 00:16:34,165 Johnny: I was in the church choir. 244 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,202 They kicked me out for that I was singing too loud 245 00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:39,377 I told them: "I don't sing very loud, these bastards sing so slowly 246 00:16:39,412 --> 00:16:41,252 so that they cannot be heard not even between them. " 247 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:42,898 So I left. 248 00:16:42,932 --> 00:16:44,427 How would you describe your level? visions when you were a child? 249 00:16:44,451 --> 00:16:45,935 What... What exactly were you seeing? 250 00:16:45,970 --> 00:16:49,284 Well, legally I was actually blind. 251 00:16:49,318 --> 00:16:54,565 I had 2400 in one eye and 2600 in the other. 252 00:16:54,599 --> 00:16:56,256 That was hindsight. 253 00:16:56,291 --> 00:16:58,372 You felt that the music was something in which view does not matter? 254 00:16:58,396 --> 00:17:01,641 Of course not. It actually helps. 255 00:17:01,675 --> 00:17:03,470 Hearing is better. 256 00:17:03,505 --> 00:17:06,508 Edgar: I think so, if that's the case in which any of us 257 00:17:06,542 --> 00:17:08,544 we would have been able to see 258 00:17:08,579 --> 00:17:11,996 and then suddenly to be out of sight 259 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:13,629 it would have been one more thing hard to adapt to 260 00:17:13,653 --> 00:17:15,493 but when you are born in a special way 261 00:17:15,517 --> 00:17:18,865 you learn how to see what what cannot be seen. 262 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,213 When was the first time you had realized you're different? 263 00:17:22,248 --> 00:17:25,872 Well, I guess, probably when I was seven or eight years old. 264 00:17:25,906 --> 00:17:30,083 Someone from the neighborhood told me: "You are something." blind? "and I said, 'No, I'm not' 265 00:17:30,118 --> 00:17:32,924 Then I went home and asked her to my mother: "Hey mom, am I blind?" 266 00:17:32,948 --> 00:17:34,294 And she said, "Yes. Yes, you are." 267 00:17:34,329 --> 00:17:36,469 I had never heard that word before. 268 00:17:36,503 --> 00:17:39,920 I knew I looked different than the others. 269 00:17:39,955 --> 00:17:42,209 I just didn't know it existed a word for such a thing. 270 00:17:42,233 --> 00:17:44,201 How were you treated? 271 00:17:44,235 --> 00:17:48,653 Some kids didn't like it. To some they didn't like that I was different. 272 00:17:48,688 --> 00:17:50,355 And so I ended up fighting myself because of it. 273 00:17:50,379 --> 00:17:53,417 In primary school, I was involved in a lot of fights. 274 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:55,660 If someone bullied me, I would hit them immediately. 275 00:17:55,695 --> 00:17:57,490 What do you think made them pick on you? 276 00:17:57,524 --> 00:17:59,423 Ah, they were just cowards. It was stupid. 277 00:17:59,457 --> 00:18:01,908 Just because I had a color different, they didn't like me. 278 00:18:01,942 --> 00:18:03,668 I didn't like black people either. 279 00:18:03,703 --> 00:18:05,705 They didn't like me because I was too white. 280 00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:08,225 It was stupid. 281 00:18:08,259 --> 00:18:10,219 I never could figure out why they were like that. 282 00:18:11,262 --> 00:18:13,782 Okay, let's go back to our story. 283 00:18:14,576 --> 00:18:15,991 Where was I left? 284 00:18:16,025 --> 00:18:19,719 So you were in a club for blacks, where exactly? 285 00:18:19,753 --> 00:18:20,858 In Beaumont, Texas. 286 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:22,584 - Beaumont, Texas. - Club Raven. 287 00:18:22,618 --> 00:18:24,528 Johnny and some of the his friends entered 288 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:26,391 and they said: “Let me sing let me sing " 289 00:18:26,415 --> 00:18:29,556 It's true. Johnny, sent someone on stage and... 290 00:18:29,591 --> 00:18:33,319 So, he was kind of shy, he stayed somewhere in the back, and a guy said: 291 00:18:33,353 --> 00:18:38,634 "Johnny would like to sing too "and me I said to myself: "No, I wouldn't want that. " 292 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:41,154 And then I started to I'm still thinking about it. 293 00:18:41,189 --> 00:18:43,028 So first I have it asked: "Can he sing?" " 294 00:18:43,052 --> 00:18:44,778 And he said, "Oh, yes, he can sing. " 295 00:18:44,813 --> 00:18:46,109 And I started to I think about it and I have 296 00:18:46,121 --> 00:18:47,516 said: "I really wouldn't want to that he goes on stage" 297 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:49,794 because normally, i don't let no one to sit next to me 298 00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:52,107 if I don't know them well and I don't I know well why I am able. 299 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,306 Then I started thinking about me: "Look, here's a white guy. 300 00:18:55,341 --> 00:18:57,423 If I were in a club of whites and I would like to 301 00:18:57,435 --> 00:18:59,621 I go on stage, and I wouldn't let me stand between them, 302 00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:02,244 “one might think I do because i'm black " 303 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:05,558 And I said to myself: Now, he will believe that I'm doing this because he's white. " 304 00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:08,388 So I kept thinking, 305 00:19:08,423 --> 00:19:10,218 and I said to the boys: 306 00:19:10,252 --> 00:19:12,320 "OK, there's a guy here that I'll let him sit by 307 00:19:12,332 --> 00:19:14,372 us ", but I told him: "You can only play one piece" 308 00:19:15,188 --> 00:19:16,741 And how did he manage? 309 00:19:16,776 --> 00:19:20,469 fantastic He sang, and the people they gave him a standing ovation. 310 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:22,885 - Standing ovation? - They didn't give me a standing ovation. 311 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,705 All the more so don't let him sing anymore. 312 00:19:24,717 --> 00:19:26,280 And I said: "Come on, sing something else. " 313 00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:29,306 - How old were you? - About 17 years old. 314 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:32,447 - Actually, I actually have a picture from back then. - Here she is. 315 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:34,932 BB King: Here we go! - Can you believe that? 316 00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:38,211 Billy Gibbons: I remember when he got it said Johnny "Daddy Cool" Winter 317 00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:43,458 Some of the first records were regional hits in the bay area... 318 00:19:44,735 --> 00:19:46,150 Johnny was a great artist. 319 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,325 [Hey Hey Hey Hey] 320 00:19:53,226 --> 00:19:55,263 Billy: For those who don't know, 321 00:19:55,297 --> 00:19:57,886 the period of pre-Columbian records, 322 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,303 Johnny let out a string of very popular tracks, 323 00:20:01,338 --> 00:20:04,341 that you can still find, uh… 324 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:05,904 but you have to dig deep into the boxes of old records from stores, 325 00:20:05,928 --> 00:20:09,553 and you will certainly find one there record with Johnny "Daddy Cool" Winter. 326 00:20:09,587 --> 00:20:11,796 [That's What Love Does] 327 00:20:21,772 --> 00:20:23,888 Radio DJ: OK, Johnny, why don't you give it to me some disc titles to choose? 328 00:20:23,912 --> 00:20:26,397 Let's listen to a song, and then we can start talking. 329 00:20:26,432 --> 00:20:28,444 Johnny: Choose between Tu Le Ton Son Ton with Clifton Chenier. 330 00:20:28,468 --> 00:20:30,090 Groaning The Blues with Otis Rush. 331 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:32,231 Loving Man with Muddy Waters. 332 00:20:32,265 --> 00:20:34,440 Got Thid Time I'm Through with Memphis Slim. 333 00:20:34,474 --> 00:20:37,477 Uh... or Travelin' Mood with Wee Willie Wayne. 334 00:20:37,512 --> 00:20:41,274 Johnny, you won with the proposal with Wee Willie Wayne. Is it spelled WEE? 335 00:20:41,309 --> 00:20:43,069 - Yes. - Yes. You won. 336 00:20:44,312 --> 00:20:45,278 No, Wee Willie. 337 00:20:45,313 --> 00:20:46,659 No, Wee Willie Wayne. 338 00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:49,282 I'm not sure I heard ever by Wee Willie. 339 00:20:49,317 --> 00:20:51,122 It must have been one of the those texas music. 340 00:20:51,146 --> 00:20:53,286 ♪ Feelin' kinda sad And lonely 341 00:20:53,321 --> 00:20:55,978 ♪ Lost my sweet One and only ♪ 342 00:20:56,013 --> 00:20:57,842 Oh, but I know this song. 343 00:20:57,877 --> 00:20:59,402 Okay, let's record it. Let's see if we can 344 00:20:59,414 --> 00:21:00,787 make this magic it happens bro 345 00:21:00,811 --> 00:21:02,122 All right. 346 00:21:02,157 --> 00:21:03,538 Welcome. My name is Bill Wax, 347 00:21:03,572 --> 00:21:07,335 and my guest today, it's the fabulous Johnny Winter. 348 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:08,750 Johnny, how are you? 349 00:21:08,784 --> 00:21:09,923 Very good, Bill. 350 00:21:09,958 --> 00:21:10,855 nice to see you again 351 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:12,547 Yes, it's great to be back in DC. 352 00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:14,825 And you appear... Every time you appear, 353 00:21:14,859 --> 00:21:17,103 you seem to be getting younger and you look better and better. 354 00:21:17,137 --> 00:21:18,898 I don't understand how you do that. 355 00:21:18,932 --> 00:21:20,203 Everyone else as they are I know, as we progressed in 356 00:21:20,215 --> 00:21:21,497 age, I looked like we would be prunes. 357 00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:23,627 - How do you do that? - I have a picture in my closet. 358 00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:26,744 That picture is getting old, and so am I I'm getting younger and younger. 359 00:21:26,768 --> 00:21:32,291 I understand. Well, that, so long as long as no one gets their hands on that picture. 360 00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:33,992 well you look good your voice sounds excellent. 361 00:21:34,016 --> 00:21:37,123 So we have a bunch of tracks prepared, some are your favorites. 362 00:21:37,157 --> 00:21:38,583 You are a big fan of Lazy Lester. 363 00:21:38,607 --> 00:21:40,816 I listened to him too. Have you met Lazy? 364 00:21:40,851 --> 00:21:43,578 Yes, I'm going to tell you the story of what happened to us in crawley 365 00:21:43,612 --> 00:21:46,201 in the Jay Miller Studio, where they have more recorded Lightnin' Slim, 366 00:21:46,235 --> 00:21:49,308 Slim Harpo, Lonesome Sundown and others like them. 367 00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:54,243 And Lester was supposed to sing on one of the my discs. I was about 17 years old at the time. 368 00:21:54,278 --> 00:21:55,980 And he was in jail because he was found intoxicated. 369 00:21:56,004 --> 00:21:57,844 I had to pay his bail to get him out of jail. 370 00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:00,802 And as soon as he entered the studio he said to me:" Do you want to see a trick? 371 00:22:00,836 --> 00:22:02,493 "Give me 25 cents." 372 00:22:02,528 --> 00:22:06,083 I gave him the coin. He put it in the machine and bought a Coca - Cola. 373 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:09,500 The trick was to fool me to buy a Coca - Cola. 374 00:22:09,535 --> 00:22:10,822 Was it fun playing with him? 375 00:22:10,846 --> 00:22:12,617 It was a lot of fun. I have always liked Lester. 376 00:22:12,641 --> 00:22:15,851 And then you recorded a track with Otis Rush? Do you want me to double trouble? 377 00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:18,544 - That was... - Have you ever played with Otis? 378 00:22:18,578 --> 00:22:20,511 I think I sang with him once. 379 00:22:20,546 --> 00:22:22,202 I wanted to produce a record with Otis, 380 00:22:22,237 --> 00:22:25,102 but when I talked to him, a was very uncooperative. 381 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,425 He said, "I don't care what you do call, I just want my money. " 382 00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:29,934 Ah well, let's jump to that. 383 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,629 Bill: First pew car interview ever did it with johnny 384 00:22:34,663 --> 00:22:36,941 it was six years ago...seven years, 385 00:22:36,976 --> 00:22:39,841 when Johnny had just finished with his old manager. 386 00:22:39,875 --> 00:22:42,602 Paul tocami had taken over in a so is his management. 387 00:22:42,637 --> 00:22:44,777 So, he had taken Johnny under management 388 00:22:44,811 --> 00:22:48,988 and Johnny was still quite laced with drugs and such, 389 00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:52,578 and I did that interview where each the answer was one word. 390 00:22:52,612 --> 00:22:56,547 Yes. Not. Yes. Not. 391 00:22:56,582 --> 00:22:58,480 I went home and told my wife, 392 00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:01,138 "God, I don't know anymore. A was a little scary 393 00:23:01,150 --> 00:23:03,416 that interview with Johnny Winter, because, 394 00:23:03,451 --> 00:23:05,901 I couldn't even tell if Johnny understood 395 00:23:05,936 --> 00:23:08,041 something from what I had told him, or something like that. 396 00:23:08,076 --> 00:23:09,825 So, I called Paul and I said, "Paul, I felt it 397 00:23:09,837 --> 00:23:11,538 good Johnny always is welcome but i can't broadcast 398 00:23:11,562 --> 00:23:15,980 the interview, because Johnny seemed too far from what happened. " 399 00:23:16,015 --> 00:23:18,811 The next year when Johnny a came for another interview, 400 00:23:18,845 --> 00:23:21,296 answered this time in sentences. 401 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:25,645 The third year when he came Johnny would answer in paragraphs. 402 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,338 In the fourth year Johnny told whole stories, 403 00:23:29,373 --> 00:23:34,274 and he seemed to have a vivid memory, he said and lies but you could see that he was having fun 404 00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:37,657 And it's amazing how Johnny looks today. 405 00:23:37,692 --> 00:23:39,935 [Double Trouble] 406 00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:20,735 We let him go. 407 00:24:32,229 --> 00:24:35,094 Why did you take up the guitar? what have you heard of you taking it? 408 00:24:35,128 --> 00:24:36,647 Chuck Berry. 409 00:24:36,682 --> 00:24:38,970 Quite a few tracks with him. He has me made me want to play guitar 410 00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:40,903 What do you think you've become? so damn good? 411 00:24:40,927 --> 00:24:42,860 Lots of exercise. 412 00:24:42,895 --> 00:24:46,277 I practiced up to six hours a day day sometimes when I started. 413 00:24:49,453 --> 00:24:51,938 It was something I really wanted to do. 414 00:24:51,973 --> 00:24:54,769 I was really obsessed with guitar when I started. 415 00:24:54,803 --> 00:24:57,057 How did you choose to start singing with the thimble? Where did you get the idea? 416 00:24:57,081 --> 00:25:00,084 Well, Luther Nallie taught me how to I sing with the ring finger on the thumb. 417 00:25:01,189 --> 00:25:02,753 He has been singing for a long time with the ring finger on the thumb. 418 00:25:02,777 --> 00:25:04,641 So he taught me how to sing with the thimble. 419 00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:06,539 That's why I can't sing with a thimble without a needle. 420 00:25:06,574 --> 00:25:08,265 Luther: When uh... 421 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:12,165 Johnny takes lessons from me, I take them I used to show stuff like this... 422 00:25:16,998 --> 00:25:19,276 You know, Honky-Tonk tracks and other stuff like that. 423 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,658 They used a flat thimble on the thumb, uh,... 424 00:25:31,391 --> 00:25:34,463 You can keep the rhythm and sing the song at the same time. 425 00:25:34,498 --> 00:25:36,051 Johnny could do that. 426 00:25:36,086 --> 00:25:37,984 Johnny: And Edgar played the guitar. 427 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,642 And for a while we were singing together at the same time. 428 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:42,965 And I was showing him things which we could sing together. 429 00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:46,130 Music was everything... to Johnny, you know. 430 00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:48,857 He just lived and breathed through his guitar. 431 00:25:48,892 --> 00:25:52,585 In fact, at one point, I had nothing left to teach him, nothing to show him. 432 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:56,209 Because, you know, he would and it just sucked everything up. 433 00:25:56,244 --> 00:25:58,487 Just like a sponge. 434 00:25:58,522 --> 00:26:02,802 So we had reached the stage where to say to myself: "God, what am I doing... 435 00:26:02,837 --> 00:26:05,529 What should I do with him today? " 436 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:06,920 Where did your Firebird guitar come from? 437 00:26:06,944 --> 00:26:09,602 Ah, well from Ed Seelig in Saint Louis. 438 00:26:09,637 --> 00:26:10,993 No, actually I meant, How did it come to you? 439 00:26:11,017 --> 00:26:12,926 In general, how have you been Fascinated by Firebird? 440 00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:15,815 Well, because of Ed Seelig in Saint Louis. 441 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:20,786 He brought me one and I thought it looked like it cool, to sound cool, because she was good. 442 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:24,030 So I bought it. With 225 dollars. 443 00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:26,826 Which one was it? 444 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:28,517 This. 445 00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:30,192 - You bought this for $225? - Yes. 446 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:31,693 Of course yes. 447 00:26:32,901 --> 00:26:35,041 That's how much it cost me back then. 448 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:38,562 At first hand. In 1970. 449 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:41,876 It still seems like the coolest guitar to me that I have ever seen. 450 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:44,154 [Murdering] 451 00:27:18,602 --> 00:27:20,121 I like to play the guitar. 452 00:27:21,709 --> 00:27:24,746 It's the only thing that I was really big. 453 00:27:25,609 --> 00:27:28,405 [Tributes to Muddy] 454 00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:59,781 I found another one there with The Cohen. 455 00:27:59,816 --> 00:28:03,854 I composed that in 1976. 456 00:28:03,889 --> 00:28:06,685 When I bought those coins for Edwina. 457 00:28:06,719 --> 00:28:11,586 And I paid $6,650 for them. 458 00:28:11,609 --> 00:28:12,612 After their mother Edwina died, Johnny and Edgar went to Beaumont 459 00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:13,596 Texas to take possession of the securities from her private box in the bank 460 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:15,624 Today, value around of 87,000 dollars. 461 00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:17,696 Johnny: Whoa! That's what it represents a really good profit. 462 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:18,973 Really very good. 463 00:28:20,353 --> 00:28:21,665 how are you 464 00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:52,214 Is it the same as you remember it being? 465 00:28:52,661 --> 00:28:53,801 Not. 466 00:28:55,147 --> 00:28:56,217 No, it isn't. 467 00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:58,944 Looks like she's one of those communities that are beginning to disappear. 468 00:28:58,978 --> 00:29:01,898 This has always been a beautiful place where to find a job. 469 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,190 is this your house 470 00:29:04,225 --> 00:29:05,260 - Wow. - Which one? 471 00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:08,056 Right there. The porch still has it the rocking chair on her. 472 00:29:08,091 --> 00:29:10,024 - Oh, but now it looks different. - I'll knock on the door. 473 00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:12,785 Stay like this. I don't want to go in. 474 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:16,133 Johnny: It really looks different. I wouldn't have recognized her. 475 00:29:16,168 --> 00:29:17,721 What color was it once? 476 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:18,974 Johnny: White. The color was white. 477 00:29:18,998 --> 00:29:20,897 I almost want to cry. 478 00:29:20,931 --> 00:29:23,382 It seems too much to ask you not to do it. 479 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:26,005 This makes me very sad. 480 00:29:34,393 --> 00:29:38,017 I spent my entire the first half of my life here. 481 00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:40,019 And it doesn't even look the same anymore. 482 00:29:40,054 --> 00:29:43,195 Yes, the fence did not exist, now everything is open. 483 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:52,998 The owner wants to greet you. dies out of curiosity to meet you. 484 00:29:53,032 --> 00:29:54,862 - He's coming here right now. - OK, sure. 485 00:29:56,484 --> 00:29:58,279 She seems to be a nice lady. 486 00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:00,212 - Hi, how are you? - Hey, how are you? 487 00:30:00,246 --> 00:30:02,490 - Pleased to meet you. - I'm glad to meet you too. 488 00:30:02,524 --> 00:30:04,043 Delighted to meet you. 489 00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:05,987 You are more than welcome if you want to enter. 490 00:30:06,011 --> 00:30:07,402 I think that would be too sad for me. 491 00:30:07,426 --> 00:30:10,636 Do you think so? I understand you perfectly. 492 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:12,362 - No, I just can't... - Awww. 493 00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:14,374 Well, thank you for having you offered to let me in. 494 00:30:14,398 --> 00:30:17,332 No problem. I really am just pleased to meet you. 495 00:30:17,367 --> 00:30:19,852 I have two children. I have a 12 year old son 496 00:30:19,887 --> 00:30:21,509 and a 9-year-old daughter, 497 00:30:21,543 --> 00:30:25,547 and we have a game room, too the things we have upstairs. 498 00:30:25,582 --> 00:30:27,629 - But we don't... - I used to practice singing there. 499 00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:30,587 So there you were singing, and I really said, if those walls could talk 500 00:30:30,621 --> 00:30:35,741 how much they could tell us about you and your brother and all your music. 501 00:30:35,775 --> 00:30:36,754 So... 502 00:30:36,766 --> 00:30:38,837 I lived many moments wonderful in that house. 503 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:42,875 Well, I'm glad to have you known and I would like to take a picture. 504 00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:45,533 - Sure. - Is it okay to use my room? 505 00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:47,466 turn back 506 00:30:50,469 --> 00:30:53,334 I'm so excited. Barely I'm waiting to tell my husband too. 507 00:30:53,368 --> 00:30:54,853 Look this way, Johnny. 508 00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:56,268 Yes! 509 00:30:58,891 --> 00:31:00,168 Perfect. 510 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:05,484 It was wonderful to meet you all. Thank you. 511 00:31:11,939 --> 00:31:16,081 Johnny: That was so sad, am hate this. Damn I hated that 512 00:31:16,633 --> 00:31:18,048 Well, you know... 513 00:31:20,464 --> 00:31:23,019 Oh my god that was so sad. 514 00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:24,744 You didn't even go inside. 515 00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:26,688 No, it was so sad just to look at that house. 516 00:31:26,712 --> 00:31:29,611 Hey, but it's nice to know that I am some nice people staying there. 517 00:31:29,646 --> 00:31:31,234 Oh, yes. It is beautiful. 518 00:31:31,268 --> 00:31:33,753 At least they seem to like it there. 519 00:31:33,788 --> 00:31:36,273 It almost made me cry. It almost made me cry. 520 00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,206 It's okay. 521 00:31:39,621 --> 00:31:41,209 Sometimes that helps. 522 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,869 - What high school did you go to? - At Beaumont High. 523 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,147 - Central High? - That's what Central High is called now. 524 00:31:48,182 --> 00:31:49,942 Isn't it called Beaumont High School anymore? 525 00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:51,530 It's called Central High. 526 00:31:51,564 --> 00:31:53,118 Strange. 527 00:31:53,152 --> 00:31:56,155 The celebrations were held there. That's where we sang Cherry Pie. 528 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,340 I sang, "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme some, I want some cherry pie." 529 00:31:58,364 --> 00:32:00,953 and they drew the curtain. 530 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,405 They pulled the curtain in front of us. 531 00:33:09,332 --> 00:33:11,506 Johnny: I think it was December '68, 532 00:33:11,541 --> 00:33:13,474 when the article appeared in Rolling Stone. 533 00:33:13,508 --> 00:33:17,236 And suddenly, everything changed completely. 534 00:33:17,271 --> 00:33:20,274 I think I've read it a thousand times. 535 00:33:26,556 --> 00:33:29,524 All the artists earned about 50 de dollars a week at that time. 536 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:35,047 I earn 150, 200 dollars a week when I was playing in nightclubs 537 00:33:35,082 --> 00:33:36,611 But when we started playing just the blues, 538 00:33:36,635 --> 00:33:38,637 I didn't do the same anymore much money as before. 539 00:33:38,671 --> 00:33:41,157 Tommy: Uncle John and co I slept on the floor 540 00:33:41,191 --> 00:33:43,124 and I wasn't making a penny. 541 00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:46,714 I remember That Uncle John and I used to go to a rotisserie, 542 00:33:46,748 --> 00:33:49,061 to give us some fried pretzels. 543 00:33:49,096 --> 00:33:51,926 They put them in some bags of paper for us. 544 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,824 We take the bags home and that was all we ate. 545 00:33:53,859 --> 00:33:55,309 That was all we had to eat. 546 00:33:55,343 --> 00:33:58,139 But the article appeared, and everything has changed completely. 547 00:33:58,174 --> 00:34:00,866 People on both sides ribs kept calling me now 548 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,488 Steve Paul called me from New York, 549 00:34:02,523 --> 00:34:04,352 and he wanted to come down south to meet. 550 00:34:04,939 --> 00:34:06,458 And I said, "Sure." 551 00:34:06,492 --> 00:34:09,771 Electric wanted us to sign with them, as well as Atlantic and Columbia. 552 00:34:09,806 --> 00:34:12,602 Steve decided that Columbia would be the best choice. 553 00:34:12,636 --> 00:34:16,295 Clive: I would say Johnny has received a very good proposal, 554 00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:20,575 higher than normal at that time. That's for sure. 555 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:25,235 I definitely thought he wouldn't be the one hit type. 556 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:27,386 Of course it wasn't about any hit in the sense known to all. 557 00:34:27,410 --> 00:34:32,380 The hit formula... The hit criterion was not applicable in this case. 558 00:34:32,415 --> 00:34:37,385 What we had here was a guitar virtuoso, 559 00:34:37,420 --> 00:34:39,732 with a unique story to tell. 560 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493 And of course, with a unique physical appearance. 561 00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:44,599 I was very proud, I remember that's why I signed with Johnny. 562 00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:48,707 He told me that I was the most great understanding until then, 563 00:34:48,741 --> 00:34:50,088 that someone had. 564 00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:51,848 I didn't like this being made public, 565 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,713 because that put more pressure on me to sell records. 566 00:34:54,747 --> 00:34:58,682 Uncle John and I got stuffed all in a shoe box. 567 00:34:59,649 --> 00:35:01,133 I mean, all I had then. 568 00:35:01,168 --> 00:35:03,101 And we moved to New York. 569 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:06,863 One day I was sleeping on the floor, and the next day I was sleeping in a huge house in 570 00:35:06,897 --> 00:35:10,315 upstate New York. And that's it happened literally overnight. 571 00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:11,740 Did you ever have the chance meet them later 572 00:35:11,764 --> 00:35:13,594 those who wrote the article? 573 00:35:13,628 --> 00:35:16,976 I really don't know if I ever met him Larry or not. I hope I did. 574 00:35:17,011 --> 00:35:19,117 I hope I have thanked you for the article. 575 00:35:19,151 --> 00:35:20,680 You feel like you owe him a drink. 576 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:23,293 I owe him a whole crate. 577 00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:26,779 [Mean Town Blues] 578 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:52,840 Edgar: When Johnny became famous, 579 00:35:52,874 --> 00:35:57,707 although we had spent almost all of it life preparing us for such a thing, 580 00:35:57,741 --> 00:36:01,469 it seemed to us that everything was happened almost instantly. 581 00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:03,540 [Mean Town Blues] 582 00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:05,508 Edgar: If it hadn't been for Johnny, 583 00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:09,270 I probably would have ended up being some kind of teacher, 584 00:36:09,305 --> 00:36:11,307 or a scientist. 585 00:36:11,341 --> 00:36:15,242 Woodstock was what got me truly life changing. 586 00:36:15,276 --> 00:36:20,971 And of course I wouldn't have gotten there, if it wasn't for Johnny. 587 00:36:21,006 --> 00:36:23,676 Johnny: Woodstock indeed it was an event 588 00:36:23,688 --> 00:36:26,218 good, but it was too much mud and all; l was hated. 589 00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:28,220 No one knew what was happening and when exactly. 590 00:36:28,255 --> 00:36:31,085 I went to sleep on a garbage bag. 591 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,192 And I woke up in the middle at night to see what was happening 592 00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:37,022 and someone said, “Well, if you are all still here, singing. " 593 00:36:37,056 --> 00:36:38,334 I had just woken up. 594 00:36:38,368 --> 00:36:40,646 I'm surprised I was that much as good as I was then. 595 00:36:40,681 --> 00:36:42,476 [Mean Town Blues] 596 00:36:53,452 --> 00:36:57,180 It's still one of the coolest things that I have ever done. 597 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,009 This is how we fatten Johnny up. 598 00:36:59,044 --> 00:37:02,254 What we do when we don't they serve gigantic croissants 599 00:37:02,289 --> 00:37:05,740 with which we were trying to put something meat on johnny's bones, 600 00:37:05,775 --> 00:37:09,192 let's take these smaller horns. 601 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,746 We break the left side of a small croissant, 602 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,301 and we push... 603 00:37:14,335 --> 00:37:17,683 in with the right side forward another small whole croissant, 604 00:37:17,718 --> 00:37:21,342 and that's how we create a giant croissant 605 00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:23,620 which he consumes. 606 00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:26,036 Johnny only eats one single thing at a table. 607 00:37:26,071 --> 00:37:29,523 So when you combine two, you get a bigger croissant. 608 00:37:29,557 --> 00:37:32,008 Which means a win in weight for Johnny. 609 00:37:32,042 --> 00:37:35,460 And with that you get a healthier Johnny. 610 00:37:35,494 --> 00:37:37,324 [Cincinnati station WKRP theme song] 611 00:37:38,635 --> 00:37:39,705 Sing! 612 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:42,881 ♪ Wondered whatever Became of me ♪ 613 00:37:45,124 --> 00:37:47,575 ♪ The air in Cincinnati 614 00:37:49,681 --> 00:37:51,027 ♪ WKRP 615 00:38:16,501 --> 00:38:18,951 Nick: Back in the days when you were a kid 616 00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:20,367 in Beaumont, 617 00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:23,887 have you ever imagined that loving the music you love 618 00:38:23,922 --> 00:38:26,762 like, playing the guitar and singing vocally you will end up crossing the world... 619 00:38:26,787 --> 00:38:29,179 Oh, we've always been close sure it will be like that. = Really? 620 00:38:29,203 --> 00:38:30,998 I was sure that I would enjoy success. 621 00:38:31,032 --> 00:38:31,964 You had a lot of confidence. 622 00:38:31,999 --> 00:38:33,518 Yes I had. I always have. 623 00:38:33,552 --> 00:38:35,714 And this happened in one tough city, where it was done 624 00:38:35,726 --> 00:38:38,015 cool on you and where you have it had a hard time. 625 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,431 And yet you had so much much confidence in you? 626 00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:40,949 Confidence in me has me made me pull even harder. 627 00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:42,181 Yes. 628 00:38:42,216 --> 00:38:43,838 It was a good thing. 629 00:38:43,873 --> 00:38:47,255 It made me try harder. I have I wanted to show people what I can do. 630 00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:49,396 When you used heroin, 631 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:51,467 have your musical skills been affected? 632 00:38:51,501 --> 00:38:54,504 No, no, I was just as good. 633 00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:56,551 First, I thought that I I was the one using her, 634 00:38:56,575 --> 00:38:58,242 but then i realized that I had become addicted. 635 00:38:58,266 --> 00:38:59,785 I couldn't function without her. 636 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:01,062 I wanted to stop. 637 00:39:01,649 --> 00:39:02,788 I was sick of everything. 638 00:39:03,996 --> 00:39:05,791 I went to rehab. 639 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:07,034 Here in New Orleans. 640 00:39:08,276 --> 00:39:10,175 What made you able to do this? 641 00:39:10,209 --> 00:39:13,281 How could you do that, how could you had the power to do that? 642 00:39:13,316 --> 00:39:14,535 I would be dead if I didn't had the strength to do it. 643 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,871 - And you knew that? - I knew that. 644 00:39:16,906 --> 00:39:18,942 Some can take it for years. 645 00:39:18,977 --> 00:39:22,429 Dr. John did it, Ray Charles did it. I couldn't. 646 00:39:22,463 --> 00:39:24,717 I don't think Dr. John would argue anymore now in favor of heroin though. 647 00:39:24,741 --> 00:39:28,124 No, he wouldn't do it again. But a still used it for 35 years. 648 00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:32,231 It doesn't seem to have affected his creativity. It affected mine. 649 00:39:32,266 --> 00:39:34,613 Do you remember when you have tried it for the first time? 650 00:39:34,648 --> 00:39:35,718 Yes. 651 00:39:35,752 --> 00:39:40,516 Yes, I took the first time at a press party, uh, 652 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:42,380 in Los Angeles. 653 00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:46,004 A guy came to me and asked me: Take it drugs? " and I said, "Of course I do. " 654 00:39:46,038 --> 00:39:48,638 "Have you ever tried heroin? "I have said, "No, I haven't tried it." 655 00:39:48,662 --> 00:39:51,595 He said: "a little bit of it. "She was the only one 656 00:39:51,607 --> 00:39:54,426 when someone has me given heroin without money. 657 00:39:54,461 --> 00:39:57,878 I kept the bag for three or four months. 658 00:39:57,912 --> 00:40:00,121 Then we had to give one concert in New Jersey. 659 00:40:00,156 --> 00:40:03,677 I couldn't get to... I couldn't get to we get there We were very depressed. 660 00:40:03,711 --> 00:40:07,163 And I said to myself: "It seems that a good time to try heroin. " 661 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:08,647 And we all laughed at her. 662 00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:12,271 Then I couldn't believe what I was feeling. 663 00:40:12,306 --> 00:40:14,353 It just didn't have to anymore to worry about nothing. 664 00:40:14,377 --> 00:40:16,034 Nothing bothers you anymore. 665 00:40:18,381 --> 00:40:20,521 Well, I really do thought i could use it 666 00:40:20,556 --> 00:40:23,593 that I could only use it when I also wanted to not become addicted 667 00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:27,252 I thought it was just people fools become addicts. 668 00:40:27,286 --> 00:40:30,462 I told myself I was strong enough to use it without becoming addicted. 669 00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:32,809 Now what are we going to do? 670 00:40:32,844 --> 00:40:34,742 Johnny: Well, I hope we'll have a drink. 671 00:40:34,777 --> 00:40:36,710 - Do you have stoles? - Yes 672 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,369 I want 4 shots with ice. 673 00:40:41,404 --> 00:40:42,716 Four shots with ice. 674 00:40:43,004 --> 00:40:44,216 Wait a minute. what do you want 675 00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:45,512 Four shots with ice. 676 00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:50,413 Oh, how good! 677 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,242 [Leland Mississippi Blues] 678 00:40:59,116 --> 00:41:00,242 - Welcome! - Enough! 679 00:41:00,243 --> 00:41:04,404 It's like vodka. 680 00:41:04,416 --> 00:41:06,104 - I think it's more than I can drink. - No, that's not true. 681 00:41:08,404 --> 00:41:10,516 That's a lot of alcohol. 682 00:41:10,517 --> 00:41:21,404 What are you drinking here, is it kamikaze? 683 00:41:29,204 --> 00:41:31,516 - Johnny, how are you? - I feel good about everything! 684 00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:35,516 That's good! 685 00:41:41,257 --> 00:41:43,017 I don't like it anymore. 686 00:41:43,052 --> 00:41:44,640 I don't like it. 687 00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:48,989 what did you say 688 00:41:50,611 --> 00:41:52,130 what the hell is wrong with me 689 00:42:03,313 --> 00:42:04,383 Where the hell are you taking me? 690 00:42:04,818 --> 00:42:06,498 - What the hell is wrong with me! - Pay attention to the step. 691 00:42:10,424 --> 00:42:11,563 Now, leg up. 692 00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:13,807 Leg up. 693 00:42:16,603 --> 00:42:18,018 Oh my God. 694 00:42:18,466 --> 00:42:20,054 Oh, great God! 695 00:42:20,676 --> 00:42:22,574 Oh, great God! 696 00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:27,061 I'm so drunk. 697 00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:30,686 Oh shit, I'm really drunk. 698 00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:33,205 I'm very drunk. 699 00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:35,276 Oh shit. 700 00:42:37,037 --> 00:42:38,348 i want to go home 701 00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:41,041 I really want to go home. 702 00:42:41,628 --> 00:42:43,250 i want to go home 703 00:42:44,423 --> 00:42:46,218 I really want to go home. 704 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,843 I'm finished. 705 00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:52,259 Oh, I'm really… 706 00:42:52,293 --> 00:42:54,917 Paul: Hang on, he wants more anyone for a drink? 707 00:42:54,951 --> 00:42:56,159 I've already been. 708 00:42:56,194 --> 00:42:57,474 Paul: Well, and here you are! 709 00:42:57,505 --> 00:42:58,610 I already drank. 710 00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:00,716 ♪ I just wanna go home 711 00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:03,028 ♪ I'm tired and I want To go to bed ♪ 712 00:43:03,063 --> 00:43:05,997 ♪ I hâd a little drink About an hour ago ♪ 713 00:43:06,031 --> 00:43:08,378 ♪ And it went Right to my head ♪ 714 00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:12,520 ♪ Everywhere that I roam Over land or şea or foam ♪ 715 00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:17,491 ♪ You can always hear me Singing this song God, I wanna go home ♪ 716 00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:18,768 Încă o dată! 717 00:43:18,803 --> 00:43:20,943 ♪ I wanna go home! 718 00:43:20,977 --> 00:43:23,808 ♪ I'm tired and I want To go to bed ♪ 719 00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:26,431 ♪ I hâd a little drink About an hour ago ♪ 720 00:43:26,465 --> 00:43:28,502 ♪ And it went Right to my head ♪ 721 00:43:28,536 --> 00:43:32,713 ♪ No matter where I go Over land or şea or foam ♪ 722 00:43:32,748 --> 00:43:37,269 ♪ You can always hear me singing this song God, I just wanna go home ♪ 723 00:43:48,177 --> 00:43:52,319 Susan: I was a hippie when I was sitting in Miami and I met a girl Barbara 724 00:43:52,353 --> 00:43:54,873 who told me he was just going north, 725 00:43:54,908 --> 00:43:56,782 in New York and that he will get married with Edgar Winter and I told him: 726 00:43:56,806 --> 00:43:58,508 “Well, give me a call when you will end up here again. " 727 00:43:58,532 --> 00:44:00,223 So a year later she called me. 728 00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:03,019 Edgar and Johnny were coming to town to play. 729 00:44:03,054 --> 00:44:05,608 Over the course of two years, I... 730 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,645 I've been to a few of their shows. 731 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,717 And then I came to New York and I I started working for Steve Paul. 732 00:44:10,751 --> 00:44:13,202 And then he...he did come... 733 00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:15,549 and that's it... and we've been together ever since. 734 00:44:15,583 --> 00:44:18,034 Isn't that when you were using heroin? 735 00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:19,518 Uh, yeah. 736 00:44:19,553 --> 00:44:21,762 Did you know what you were getting yourself into? 737 00:44:21,797 --> 00:44:23,108 No really, I didn't know. 738 00:44:23,143 --> 00:44:25,052 I just wanted to be, in one like, on the same plane as him. 739 00:44:25,076 --> 00:44:27,526 So if he did something, I wanted to do it too. 740 00:44:27,561 --> 00:44:29,297 But it had all become too overwhelming, and I couldn't... 741 00:44:29,321 --> 00:44:30,959 A few times, I would go in bath bath I was crying for myself 742 00:44:30,971 --> 00:44:32,715 the eyes popped out of the head because of it that it was that it was too much, 743 00:44:32,739 --> 00:44:34,326 and that I didn't want to do it anymore... 744 00:44:34,361 --> 00:44:36,477 What else was out there? of heroin and booze? 745 00:44:36,501 --> 00:44:38,537 Weed and cocaine, I guess. 746 00:44:38,572 --> 00:44:41,264 Downs. Seconal. 747 00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:43,035 I don't remember taking it of these with you. 748 00:44:43,059 --> 00:44:45,924 I took a bunch of Seconal. Sleeping pills. 749 00:44:46,856 --> 00:44:48,340 I got a lot of these. 750 00:44:48,375 --> 00:44:49,341 I used to love the Downers. 751 00:44:49,376 --> 00:44:52,517 It was like drinking without having drunk a drop. 752 00:44:52,551 --> 00:44:55,298 We take so much cocaine that the guy who brought it said: 753 00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:57,798 “You have to know you're going to die if you exaggerate like that. " 754 00:44:57,833 --> 00:44:59,973 "You will die if you keep doing this." 755 00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:03,666 Stop, he just said you know you're taking too much. 756 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:05,703 He just wasn't used to us. 757 00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:13,987 Tommy: Back then, we used to do drugs pretty much all the time. 758 00:45:14,021 --> 00:45:16,437 I used to take a lot of LSD, 759 00:45:16,472 --> 00:45:20,648 Speeds and Downers and whatever something else we can think of. 760 00:45:20,683 --> 00:45:22,547 As the band... 761 00:45:22,581 --> 00:45:25,653 the goal seemed to be to ingest as many as possible 762 00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:28,933 different...substances as possible. 763 00:45:28,967 --> 00:45:33,040 And then we'll see if more we could go on stage and sing. 764 00:45:33,075 --> 00:45:37,769 I remember a song at the Spectrum, Philadelphia, 765 00:45:37,804 --> 00:45:40,496 and all three of us were full of acid. 766 00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:44,017 We were so high that what what was i doing the music stopped playing 767 00:45:44,051 --> 00:45:45,466 It sounds more like... 768 00:45:45,501 --> 00:45:46,985 wild sounds. 769 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,748 And finally, when we had reached the end of the show and I left 770 00:45:50,782 --> 00:45:54,648 from the stage, I had the impression that I was going to the altar of a church, 771 00:45:54,682 --> 00:45:57,002 and the people behind the scenes seemed aligned and with eyes on us. 772 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:59,146 We were about to leave the building and it was clear that we had taken our flight and... 773 00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:01,246 the guys from the technical team they had to come 774 00:46:01,258 --> 00:46:03,346 after us, and to us go backstage. 775 00:46:03,381 --> 00:46:05,821 We were like the Three Stooges who make stupid jokes). 776 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,134 The club was called The Scene and Steve Pauls, our manager at the time 777 00:46:32,168 --> 00:46:35,482 he was the patron of the club. i remember the first night I went in there. 778 00:46:35,516 --> 00:46:39,866 Jimi Hendrix was there, John Bonham, Jerry Lee Lewis were there. 779 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:41,937 That was a total idiot. 780 00:46:41,971 --> 00:46:44,525 Johnny, you know, Johnny and I, we were singing. 781 00:46:45,699 --> 00:46:47,218 Someone tapped me on the shoulder. 782 00:46:47,252 --> 00:46:49,634 I turned around and it was Jimi Hendrix. 783 00:46:49,668 --> 00:46:52,326 He asked me if he could he also played my bass. 784 00:46:52,361 --> 00:46:56,261 I took it off my shoulder in the middle of a piece and I gave it to him. 785 00:47:04,545 --> 00:47:06,168 When was the first moment 786 00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:08,491 where you really felt you were in the place you really wanted to be? 787 00:47:08,515 --> 00:47:11,043 When I recorded the first one album was great 788 00:47:11,055 --> 00:47:13,278 because it came out right as I wanted. 789 00:47:13,313 --> 00:47:15,291 That's why it's another one of the my favorite records. 790 00:47:15,315 --> 00:47:18,594 I knew this was right what I wanted to do. 791 00:47:18,628 --> 00:47:21,217 [I'm Yours and I'm Hers] 792 00:48:02,638 --> 00:48:04,374 It's true you met him Salvador Dali? 793 00:48:04,398 --> 00:48:07,298 Johnny: Yeah, he told me I should stick a microphone up my ass 794 00:48:07,332 --> 00:48:10,266 so that the turbulences can be heard my inner self. 795 00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:14,098 He was a very strange guy. 796 00:48:14,132 --> 00:48:16,479 When did Janis Joplin appear in your life? 797 00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:20,345 Johnny: I was singing in a concert in Florida and I was in my acid period. 798 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:23,693 And she gave me to drink some Southern Comfort. 799 00:48:23,728 --> 00:48:28,664 And it tasted like booze refreshing, it wasn't strong at all. 800 00:48:28,698 --> 00:48:31,529 But I felt sick when we I was returning with a helicopter 801 00:48:31,563 --> 00:48:34,601 after that concert and threw up on her. 802 00:48:34,635 --> 00:48:37,742 I don't think he even remembered it. And she was very drunk. 803 00:48:37,776 --> 00:48:40,469 I didn't even have a napkin to wipe the vomit off her. 804 00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:42,471 [I'm Yours and I'm Hers] 805 00:48:45,025 --> 00:48:48,580 Johnny: They pretty much all died around same period, Jimi Hendrix, she, 806 00:48:49,098 --> 00:48:50,306 Jim Morrison. 807 00:48:50,341 --> 00:48:51,687 What did that suggest to you? 808 00:48:51,721 --> 00:48:54,759 It was scary. I was wondering if i was next 809 00:48:54,793 --> 00:48:56,450 We all had the letter J in our names. 810 00:48:56,485 --> 00:48:59,419 Jim, Janice, Jimmy. 811 00:48:59,453 --> 00:49:02,422 I thought if my name was Johnny, it means that I was in line. 812 00:49:02,456 --> 00:49:04,217 How did you get over it? 813 00:49:04,251 --> 00:49:06,944 I think I was lucky. Very lucky. 814 00:49:07,703 --> 00:49:09,663 I was so lucky so that I can control myself. 815 00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:14,710 But I didn't know if I could control the heroin. 816 00:49:14,744 --> 00:49:19,335 I was once in Austin and... 817 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:24,340 I usually let someone else do it do the injection first to see the effect 818 00:49:24,375 --> 00:49:26,422 But I wanted to do drugs at that very moment. 819 00:49:26,446 --> 00:49:30,174 And I overdosed. they have me thrown into a tub of cold water. 820 00:49:31,416 --> 00:49:35,006 I was starting to bruise blue. ed hit me 821 00:49:35,041 --> 00:49:36,732 he slapped me trying to wake me up. 822 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,199 That was the only time I overdosed. 823 00:49:42,082 --> 00:49:44,326 But Ed was afraid I would die. 824 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,261 I didn't even feel like I was... so bad 825 00:49:49,124 --> 00:49:50,884 When I woke up, I was very angry 826 00:49:50,918 --> 00:49:53,542 because he had wet my velvet jacket. 827 00:49:53,576 --> 00:49:57,270 I said I was fine and he said, “No, no you are good man It was about to die." 828 00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:00,238 And that scared the hell out of me. 829 00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,528 This is so damn annoying. 830 00:50:15,598 --> 00:50:16,772 Stop this nonsense. 831 00:50:16,806 --> 00:50:19,188 - Don't finish, it's fun. - It's not funny. 832 00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,335 Okay, come on, come here. 833 00:50:42,832 --> 00:50:44,075 I want to pose you like this. 834 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:45,042 Bravo. 835 00:50:45,076 --> 00:50:46,422 Thumbs up guys. 836 00:50:47,354 --> 00:50:51,048 [Who Do You Love] 837 00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:15,354 First time performing in Hong Kong 838 00:51:16,797 --> 00:51:18,868 How do we sit with the audience there in the hall? 839 00:51:18,869 --> 00:51:20,354 The first two rows are full 840 00:51:21,147 --> 00:51:23,183 Well, that means no it will be fun to sing. 841 00:51:24,848 --> 00:51:26,184 Do your best! 842 00:51:26,635 --> 00:51:28,509 Oh, but ZZ Top played too for one person. 843 00:51:28,533 --> 00:51:29,445 Well, you see. 844 00:51:29,457 --> 00:51:32,227 If they sang for a person and I can play for two turns 845 00:51:34,021 --> 00:51:36,966 It happens quite often when an artist appeared in their city and them 846 00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:40,614 they didn't come... because they knew they would more concerts and that it is inevitable... 847 00:51:40,649 --> 00:51:43,893 it's inevitable that it won't appear again, like that so you were waiting to see them next year 848 00:51:43,928 --> 00:51:45,930 and... 849 00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:48,864 and then the artists left. And barely then everyone praised them, 850 00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:50,238 and they said: "What great artists they passed by here". And you 851 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:51,601 you said: "You know, they were really some great artists, 852 00:51:51,625 --> 00:51:55,698 "a year ago, when they sang in a club on this street, further on. " 853 00:51:55,733 --> 00:51:56,951 Okay guys, let's go. 854 00:51:56,975 --> 00:51:58,598 Let's go. For good. 855 00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:01,059 Derek: I've heard people say, “BB King talks too much on stage" 856 00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,786 I used to tell them: "I don't give a damn what you say. you go pay the ticket 857 00:52:03,810 --> 00:52:07,365 “and enjoy his music and shut the hell up. " 858 00:52:08,573 --> 00:52:12,025 Yeah, because it's BB King, dammit. 859 00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:13,613 And now it's Johnny Winter. 860 00:52:13,647 --> 00:52:15,028 So go. 861 00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:18,204 Hong Kong, hello! 862 00:52:18,238 --> 00:52:19,998 Are you ready? 863 00:52:23,001 --> 00:52:25,832 Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise 864 00:52:25,866 --> 00:52:28,179 for Johnny Winter! 865 00:52:28,214 --> 00:52:30,250 [Mojo Boogie] 866 00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:09,910 Yes, that's Muddy Waters' song. 867 00:53:39,975 --> 00:53:41,839 12... 868 00:53:41,873 --> 00:53:44,013 2... 3... 4... 869 00:53:44,048 --> 00:53:46,430 [Dust My Broom] 870 00:53:58,304 --> 00:53:59,816 Derek: When you see the Johnny with the Firebird 871 00:53:59,828 --> 00:54:01,386 in hand, then what come out of that guitar 872 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:03,285 makes you think of Duane Allman's Goldtop, 873 00:54:03,309 --> 00:54:05,759 or to a certain one from Hendrix. 874 00:54:05,794 --> 00:54:07,554 It's an iconic image. 875 00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:09,694 [Dust My Broom] 876 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,185 The way the guitar looks and sounds, he shows you his musical spirit. 877 00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:22,328 Like a slap in the face and it's kind of ugly, but in a nice way 878 00:54:40,311 --> 00:54:41,554 Thank you! 879 00:54:41,588 --> 00:54:43,349 A lot of people got angry when 880 00:54:43,383 --> 00:54:45,534 many rushed to the stage for that they could no longer see anything. 881 00:54:45,558 --> 00:54:47,353 No, but I liked it. 882 00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:49,458 - Yes, I know. - It was really cool. 883 00:54:51,387 --> 00:54:53,124 It was worth coming all the way here in one country totally unknown to you? 884 00:54:53,148 --> 00:54:57,432 I didn't even realize it was over the concert until the last 2-3 songs. 885 00:54:57,466 --> 00:55:00,987 They... Before I had said, “Well, the thing this won't be any fun" 886 00:55:02,195 --> 00:55:04,155 - And yet until the end it was as if they had gone mad. - Yes. 887 00:55:04,991 --> 00:55:05,854 Paul: That's really cool. 888 00:55:05,888 --> 00:55:07,718 How long until we get out of here? 889 00:55:08,788 --> 00:55:10,134 Oh, that's it. 890 00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:12,888 Now that I'm done singing, come on let's go home and watch a movie. 891 00:55:14,034 --> 00:55:16,968 You might ask, "What is the purpose of music?" 892 00:55:17,003 --> 00:55:20,903 And I can answer: "To enjoy and make people happy. " 893 00:55:20,938 --> 00:55:23,354 [Prodigal Son] 894 00:55:32,121 --> 00:55:36,540 Steve thought the blues had been big, in the 60s, and that if I didn't 895 00:55:36,574 --> 00:55:39,059 I started singing rock and roll too, 896 00:55:39,991 --> 00:55:41,924 my career would have been... 897 00:55:42,408 --> 00:55:44,375 definitely finished. 898 00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:46,491 But that's not what it was I really wanted to do it. 899 00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:49,276 I didn't want to sing anymore rock and roll than before. 900 00:55:49,311 --> 00:55:51,865 But... I thought maybe he is probably right. 901 00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,696 And I still think probably he was right so... 902 00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,259 I decided to move on and to do it as I did. 903 00:55:56,283 --> 00:55:59,563 And that hurt me because I wanted it much at Tommy and Ed's. They got me... 904 00:56:00,529 --> 00:56:02,013 they helped me to be successful. 905 00:56:02,911 --> 00:56:05,189 But...uh... 906 00:56:05,223 --> 00:56:08,054 It was sad to move on and team up with the McCoys. 907 00:56:08,088 --> 00:56:10,608 Tommy: They lived in a house, in upstate New York, 908 00:56:10,643 --> 00:56:12,679 I think about 100 yards from us. 909 00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:14,509 So we had to make friends with them. 910 00:56:14,543 --> 00:56:16,752 One day we went to do it some rehearsals, you know 911 00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:19,134 and we didn't manage to sing anything. 912 00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:25,209 And Johnny started to he's losing his temper. 913 00:56:25,243 --> 00:56:28,971 And the McCoys had some pieces. 914 00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,422 And so it happened, gradually, you know, he... 915 00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:33,597 He said he would hook up with them. 916 00:56:48,715 --> 00:56:52,581 Johnny: God, be honest I felt bad that I had abandoned them. 917 00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:55,791 I started smoking more heroin, I didn't really like it back then 918 00:56:55,826 --> 00:56:58,691 I didn't like what I was doing. 919 00:56:58,725 --> 00:57:02,833 I started doing drugs more louder than it should be. 920 00:57:04,455 --> 00:57:07,078 This really... really blew my mind. 921 00:57:08,183 --> 00:57:09,702 Johnny: Oh, are we live? 922 00:57:09,736 --> 00:57:11,738 - Yes, we are live, yes. - Are we live? 923 00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:13,740 - Are we on TV? - Yes, look. Yes. 924 00:57:13,775 --> 00:57:16,398 - I mean, are we really on duty now? - Yes. 925 00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:17,503 Oh, no. 926 00:57:17,537 --> 00:57:19,194 I know you like playing with the new band. 927 00:57:19,228 --> 00:57:21,517 Which do you think is one of the most big changes you've noticed 928 00:57:21,541 --> 00:57:24,544 since you left the old band. How much you sang with the others, about 2 years? 929 00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:27,478 Yes, about two years. That's right. I love playing with the new band. 930 00:57:27,513 --> 00:57:29,963 - But, you also liked the old band. - I loved her. 931 00:57:29,998 --> 00:57:34,830 I used to like the old band, but when it wasn't... as cool anymore 932 00:57:34,865 --> 00:57:40,042 we are tired of doing it anymore and we decided to change. 933 00:57:40,077 --> 00:57:43,805 We were starting to stagnate. Not anymore we knew which side to take. 934 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:46,980 I sang all the time and for two years now, 935 00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:50,328 but I... I didn't want to give up the blues, 936 00:57:50,363 --> 00:57:53,262 or betray them, I wanted just to do something else. 937 00:57:53,297 --> 00:57:56,576 Johnny: That was my biggest selling album. "Johnny Winter and... live" 938 00:57:56,611 --> 00:57:58,509 This is the disc I have liked the least. 939 00:57:58,544 --> 00:58:01,581 Tommy: He sold a lot of records doing this. 940 00:58:01,616 --> 00:58:05,827 But that's what made him become more and more depressed. 941 00:58:05,861 --> 00:58:08,519 Then he finally went back to the blues. 942 00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:10,186 Because that was what he has always loved. 943 00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:13,697 I'm really back to the blues when I got to play with Muddy. 944 00:58:13,731 --> 00:58:18,874 With Muddy I finally felt like I was doing it what I always wanted to do. 945 00:58:18,909 --> 00:58:21,498 Mike: Together for the first time on this new album, you two. 946 00:58:21,532 --> 00:58:25,881 Yes, but not really for the first time time, but the first time on this album. 947 00:58:25,916 --> 00:58:27,849 We have known each other for years. 948 00:58:27,883 --> 00:58:29,575 And you admire each other, obviously. 949 00:58:29,609 --> 00:58:33,751 Well, Muddy was the idol mine since I was... 950 00:58:33,786 --> 00:58:37,030 I really admire him too. When I heard it the first time I said: 951 00:58:37,065 --> 00:58:39,112 "It is one of the biggest blues artists on the market. " 952 00:58:39,136 --> 00:58:40,206 Oh wow. 953 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,381 Johnny: We took out first album together in 1977. 954 00:58:43,416 --> 00:58:44,624 How did this happen? 955 00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:46,429 Johnny: His manager has it called my manager, 956 00:58:46,453 --> 00:58:50,527 and asked him if I would be willing to sing and produce some records with Muddy, 957 00:58:50,561 --> 00:58:52,736 and I told him I would like to do that. 958 00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:54,679 That there is nothing that would delight me more than doing that. 959 00:58:54,703 --> 00:58:56,463 It was a lot of fun. 960 00:58:56,498 --> 00:59:00,053 Muddy said: “This music is so so good, that I wake up again." 961 00:59:00,088 --> 00:59:02,746 That's why I named the album Hard Again (Hard again). 962 00:59:05,196 --> 00:59:08,037 Derek: Those were my favorite records with Muddy Wares since I was a kid. 963 00:59:08,061 --> 00:59:09,994 It was something related to 964 00:59:10,029 --> 00:59:11,903 the sound and the way were recorded. 965 00:59:11,927 --> 00:59:14,181 I remember when I started building our studio, 966 00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:15,942 these were the discs on which I had in my head. 967 00:59:15,966 --> 00:59:18,841 It was something like... and still is a target for me to try and make a record 968 00:59:18,865 --> 00:59:20,705 which sounds like this or which to make you feel that way. 969 00:59:20,729 --> 00:59:23,663 Listening to him on the Mannish track Boy vocalizing in the background... 970 00:59:23,698 --> 00:59:25,562 I felt, yes... 971 00:59:25,596 --> 00:59:26,839 Woah! 972 00:59:35,364 --> 00:59:38,471 Joe: There was something in the atmosphere electrical presence in the studio, 973 00:59:38,505 --> 00:59:42,751 when they sang, something that naturally came out on the surface when listening to the record. 974 00:59:42,786 --> 00:59:46,203 And that's one of the things that marked me from that album. 975 00:59:46,237 --> 00:59:50,138 Derek: Johnny was that bridge. It was fully connected then, 976 00:59:50,172 --> 00:59:52,174 but he fully knew the history of the plays. 977 00:59:52,209 --> 00:59:54,625 And he was the right age too was qualified enough, 978 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,352 he had the necessary knowledge but also the necessary humility. 979 00:59:57,386 --> 00:59:58,905 Righteous courage. 980 01:00:04,428 --> 01:00:06,531 It is still the most fun moment i have 981 01:00:06,543 --> 01:00:08,581 ever had singing. Madam how I loved Muddy. 982 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:10,607 I cared about him. I liked his music. 983 01:00:13,305 --> 01:00:16,944 The fact... that album came out... helped the blues 984 01:00:16,956 --> 01:00:20,607 a lot of everything. It was like a kind revival of the blues. 985 01:00:21,005 --> 01:00:24,607 About this time Leonard Chess died 986 01:00:25,305 --> 01:00:29,607 And Muddy was between the two recording contracts 987 01:00:30,605 --> 01:00:33,607 So he had a period of a year or so two when he had nothing scheduled 988 01:00:34,605 --> 01:00:36,207 and he had nothing to do 989 01:00:36,605 --> 01:00:38,107 and this opportunity arose 990 01:00:38,205 --> 01:00:39,681 which put him back on his well-deserved place. 991 01:00:39,705 --> 01:00:41,776 [Got My Mojo Working] 992 01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:54,443 Johnny: That was awesome. I won't forget the period of those records. 993 01:00:54,478 --> 01:00:58,413 Damn, I should have live another 10-20 years. 994 01:00:58,447 --> 01:01:00,691 Yes. It was a great loss for you, his death? 995 01:01:00,726 --> 01:01:03,487 I hated that day. I was really hurt then. 996 01:01:03,521 --> 01:01:06,145 We had become very close. 997 01:01:06,179 --> 01:01:09,320 I went to his house, a few times, and he... 998 01:01:09,873 --> 01:01:11,702 he made me gumbo to eat. 999 01:01:13,566 --> 01:01:15,533 He addressed me as if I were his son. 1000 01:01:15,568 --> 01:01:17,156 Yes, we were really close. 1001 01:01:19,883 --> 01:01:23,231 [Got My Mojo] 1002 01:01:41,421 --> 01:01:45,736 I remember that somewhere by '90 or '91, we all have 1003 01:01:45,771 --> 01:01:51,155 attended the John tribute concert Lee Hooker at Madison Square Garden. 1004 01:01:51,777 --> 01:01:53,157 And, uh... 1005 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,058 I had about two days for rehearsals. 1006 01:01:57,955 --> 01:02:01,718 And I remember... uh... 1007 01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:04,928 that Johnny was a bit absent. 1008 01:02:04,962 --> 01:02:06,802 In the 90s, it still could stand up straight 1009 01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:09,726 but he was beginning to wobble a bit, he could no longer stand straight. 1010 01:02:16,422 --> 01:02:19,563 Paul: And finally it fell and fractured his hip the first time. 1011 01:02:19,597 --> 01:02:22,255 And then he sang just sitting on the chair. 1012 01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:26,881 He was still singing, but his voice had begun to sound increasingly nasal and very weak 1013 01:02:26,915 --> 01:02:29,780 We went to see him at Antone's, and... 1014 01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:33,301 it kind of broke my heart, you know, because 1015 01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:35,337 he barely seemed to be there anymore. 1016 01:02:35,372 --> 01:02:39,514 And he was... in shape so bad that... 1017 01:02:41,033 --> 01:02:42,931 you know, i was very worried that he might die. 1018 01:02:42,966 --> 01:02:44,864 I was very worried. 1019 01:02:46,314 --> 01:02:48,212 Because, you know, I really liked Johnny. 1020 01:02:48,247 --> 01:02:52,458 He was my friend for a long time. 1021 01:02:52,492 --> 01:02:55,012 Johnny: The 90s constituted a bad decade for me. 1022 01:02:55,047 --> 01:02:57,049 I knew we weren't singing well anymore. 1023 01:02:58,326 --> 01:03:00,017 This was very embarrassing for me. 1024 01:03:00,052 --> 01:03:02,226 I was in the period when we were taking antidepressants. 1025 01:03:02,261 --> 01:03:04,677 Then we take more antidepressants than methadone. 1026 01:03:04,711 --> 01:03:06,828 Okay, you can tell me what they were the effects of the medication on you? 1027 01:03:06,852 --> 01:03:08,923 They just put me to sleep. 1028 01:03:08,957 --> 01:03:11,373 I had gotten to sleep about 14 hours a day. 1029 01:03:11,408 --> 01:03:13,800 I was just dizzy all day. I didn't even know where I was anymore, 1030 01:03:13,824 --> 01:03:15,826 I hardly remember those days. 1031 01:03:15,861 --> 01:03:18,864 I took way too much for too long. 1032 01:03:18,898 --> 01:03:23,627 Johnny, I would say, was on heroin for two years at most. 1033 01:03:23,661 --> 01:03:26,388 But he was on methadone for about 30, 35 years. It's crazy. 1034 01:03:26,423 --> 01:03:29,219 He should have just used it this one and only in small doses 1035 01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:31,083 When I started singing with Johnny, 1036 01:03:31,117 --> 01:03:33,050 Teddy Slatus was his manager, 1037 01:03:33,085 --> 01:03:35,570 I also knew Teddy from the past. 1038 01:03:35,604 --> 01:03:39,056 From the Edgar period, but we didn't date until I got to Johnny's, 1039 01:03:39,091 --> 01:03:40,585 how bad it had gotten with true to behave. 1040 01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:44,959 He was manipulating Johnny by holding him under the influence of... drugs. 1041 01:03:44,993 --> 01:03:46,684 I think that would be the appropriate expression. 1042 01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,378 It had brought him to the stage where if Johnny would have asked questions like: 1043 01:03:50,412 --> 01:03:53,036 "What's going on?" "Where am I the money?" "What's going on..." 1044 01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:54,876 Teddy was sure Johnny was so drugged up 1045 01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:56,843 so that he was brought to the point where he couldn't ask any more questions. 1046 01:03:56,867 --> 01:03:58,973 And he had been very good to me in the past. 1047 01:03:59,007 --> 01:04:02,459 But in the last four, five years it was just horrible. 1048 01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,737 And Paul... 1049 01:04:04,771 --> 01:04:07,947 but also my whole world it was saying how bad Teddy was. 1050 01:04:07,982 --> 01:04:09,166 I just didn't want to believe them. 1051 01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:11,330 Everyone knew that he had ruined everything. 1052 01:04:11,364 --> 01:04:15,196 His manager really wanted me manage me individually as an artist 1053 01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:17,508 And I was... I was flattered, 1054 01:04:17,543 --> 01:04:20,235 but at the same time... i was wondering: 1055 01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:23,514 "But what about Johnny? Well, he doesn't have Johnny Winter! " 1056 01:04:23,549 --> 01:04:26,966 But then I listened to him sing, I got them listened to the voice, how he plays the guitar 1057 01:04:27,001 --> 01:04:29,072 and I realized that... "Something is wrong." 1058 01:04:29,106 --> 01:04:31,602 I took a step forward risking everything what I had and told Johnny 1059 01:04:31,626 --> 01:04:35,630 this while the other manager his was still alive: 1060 01:04:35,664 --> 01:04:38,288 "It's something rotten that's happening here and it's really shitty. " 1061 01:04:39,945 --> 01:04:41,370 And he said: "Do you want to nurse me?" 1062 01:04:41,394 --> 01:04:44,052 Suddenly I realized that everyone was right. 1063 01:04:44,604 --> 01:04:46,503 And so I wrote to him... 1064 01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:49,023 a letter to Teddy in which I announced to him: "You are fired." 1065 01:04:49,057 --> 01:04:51,473 Then I found out a few months later that he died. 1066 01:04:53,096 --> 01:04:55,926 Like he fell down the stairs and broke his neck. 1067 01:04:55,961 --> 01:04:57,721 He had no reason to live. 1068 01:04:57,755 --> 01:04:59,526 No one else would ever be employed again. 1069 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:03,071 He was too bad to be someone's manager. 1070 01:05:03,106 --> 01:05:05,706 So dying was the best thing he could have done. 1071 01:05:06,523 --> 01:05:08,490 It was awful for me to have him as a manager. 1072 01:05:08,525 --> 01:05:12,563 My career would be dead in a few months. 1073 01:05:12,598 --> 01:05:15,670 Edgar: I think that's why Paul it was so effective. 1074 01:05:17,189 --> 01:05:21,400 He was there and he could see the whole situation. 1075 01:05:21,434 --> 01:05:25,922 And... And he brought it back really Johnny. 1076 01:05:25,956 --> 01:05:32,031 He helped him, uh, get off drugs. 1077 01:05:32,066 --> 01:05:36,760 And, you know, that was one amazing thing in itself. 1078 01:05:36,794 --> 01:05:42,041 You have to understand, we are sitting on the bus in tournaments 100-140 times a year. 1079 01:05:42,628 --> 01:05:44,147 So we are like a family. 1080 01:05:44,181 --> 01:05:48,220 One of our family members he fell asleep with mashed potatoes in front of him 1081 01:05:48,254 --> 01:05:51,775 He lit a cigarette and his hat caught fire and then he couldn't remember. 1082 01:05:51,809 --> 01:05:55,054 I wanted to get rid of him as well methadone, but I had read that... 1083 01:05:55,089 --> 01:05:58,471 those who let themselves were in danger of losing his mind. 1084 01:05:58,506 --> 01:06:00,263 So I had to elaborate a way to it 1085 01:06:00,275 --> 01:06:01,899 get off methadone, without realizing it 1086 01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:03,407 and at the same time, without killing him. 1087 01:06:03,442 --> 01:06:08,309 So, for three years I stayed and I kept reducing his pills. 1088 01:06:08,343 --> 01:06:13,107 Little by little, in each day for three years. 1089 01:06:13,141 --> 01:06:15,844 He noticed the change that produce at him and I talked to the doctors. 1090 01:06:15,868 --> 01:06:17,190 "Okay, if it doesn't upset his stomach, 1091 01:06:17,214 --> 01:06:18,951 no problem, no nothing will happen. " 1092 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:20,424 He didn't notice what was happening. 1093 01:06:20,459 --> 01:06:23,462 But at some point the tablets they had become so small 1094 01:06:24,670 --> 01:06:26,027 so that I could no longer hide what was happening. 1095 01:06:26,051 --> 01:06:29,571 How to tell him: "Well, before they were so big, now I'm like this.. " 1096 01:06:29,606 --> 01:06:35,543 So I ordered online, some empty capsules. 1097 01:06:35,577 --> 01:06:38,408 And for a year he took empty capsules. His wife knew. 1098 01:06:38,442 --> 01:06:41,273 And the changes were astronomical. 1099 01:06:41,307 --> 01:06:43,413 Alcohol had already been abandoned, 1100 01:06:43,447 --> 01:06:46,071 antidepressants are gone and the methadone was gone too. 1101 01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:49,108 That's how I did it for about a year, and then for Christmas 1102 01:06:49,143 --> 01:06:51,593 when we exchanged gifts, 1103 01:06:51,628 --> 01:06:54,458 I gave him a box, and in the box there was an even smaller box, 1104 01:06:54,493 --> 01:06:57,013 with the little pill... That was it the joke I served him. 1105 01:06:57,047 --> 01:06:58,727 And he opened that little pill and said: 1106 01:06:59,084 --> 01:07:00,292 "What is this?" 1107 01:07:00,326 --> 01:07:02,294 Susan: Looks like it's methadone. Open it. 1108 01:07:02,328 --> 01:07:04,054 Paul: Come on, open the pill. 1109 01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:05,573 Paul: Open the pill. 1110 01:07:08,472 --> 01:07:09,991 How do you open this pill? 1111 01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:13,270 Paul: Pull the end out and tell us what's in there? 1112 01:07:13,305 --> 01:07:16,101 Susan: Honey, you've had enough given methadone for two years. 1113 01:07:16,135 --> 01:07:17,516 That's... what did you say? 1114 01:07:17,550 --> 01:07:19,425 Susan: It was stopped for you using methadone for two years. 1115 01:07:19,449 --> 01:07:20,795 What? 1116 01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:22,728 Susan: Yes. You don't have anymore received methadone for 2 years. 1117 01:07:22,762 --> 01:07:23,694 It can't be... 1118 01:07:23,729 --> 01:07:24,764 Paul: Yes. 1119 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:25,869 And then what did I get? 1120 01:07:25,903 --> 01:07:28,089 Paul: Nothing. The capsules were empty or had little rice. 1121 01:07:28,113 --> 01:07:29,355 Paul: You're off methadone. 1122 01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:31,219 So I don't need to take anymore? 1123 01:07:31,254 --> 01:07:32,600 Not! 1124 01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:34,371 - Did I take empty capsules? - Yes. Empty capsules. 1125 01:07:34,395 --> 01:07:38,088 How cool. I don't take methadone anymore I didn't even know that. 1126 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:40,435 But how did you feel then? 1127 01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:42,403 I felt so good. 1128 01:07:42,437 --> 01:07:45,440 Now I don't have to go to the clinic anymore to get my methadone prescription. 1129 01:07:45,475 --> 01:07:46,959 I hadn't used it in months. 1130 01:07:46,993 --> 01:07:51,550 They just didn't want to tell me until he was sure it was okay 1131 01:07:51,584 --> 01:07:55,071 I have to admit that the most beautiful gift ever received by me 1132 01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,211 it was his help to get me off methadone. 1133 01:07:59,351 --> 01:08:01,391 He didn't just try to help me. He did it. 1134 01:08:01,422 --> 01:08:03,527 He did it by himself. 1135 01:08:03,562 --> 01:08:06,427 He has changed completely since then. And... 1136 01:08:06,461 --> 01:08:08,912 had gained weight, in sing, in concentration, 1137 01:08:08,946 --> 01:08:10,914 and... now he eats... and that's how he recovered. 1138 01:08:10,948 --> 01:08:13,468 [Long Tall Sally] 1139 01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:36,629 Johnny Winter! 1140 01:08:50,264 --> 01:08:53,025 I really like Johnny Winter. 1141 01:08:53,059 --> 01:08:54,302 I love Johnny! 1142 01:08:55,027 --> 01:08:57,340 Johnny, you're big! 1143 01:08:57,374 --> 01:08:58,858 I love you Johnny! 1144 01:09:05,037 --> 01:09:07,419 Johnny Winter Drink! 1145 01:09:49,254 --> 01:09:50,324 Thank you! 1146 01:09:53,016 --> 01:09:55,260 [Can't You Feel It] 1147 01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,367 Paul: add onions, throw everything in there. 1148 01:10:33,401 --> 01:10:34,644 Now rotate them. 1149 01:10:34,678 --> 01:10:36,818 Paul: Chef Boy Winter. 1150 01:10:36,853 --> 01:10:37,933 Johnny: I need some more vodka. 1151 01:10:37,957 --> 01:10:39,211 Paul: Don't touch that glass. 1152 01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:40,995 - I got hold of him. - Give it to me! Give it here! 1153 01:10:42,272 --> 01:10:45,655 I'm really having a great time. 1154 01:10:46,794 --> 01:10:47,898 Love that mic. 1155 01:10:47,933 --> 01:10:51,247 ♪ If I knew If I knew 1156 01:10:51,281 --> 01:10:54,905 ♪ Yes I could If I knew ♪ 1157 01:10:57,874 --> 01:11:01,153 [Johnny: I'd give it to you, but you don't need him. 1158 01:11:01,187 --> 01:11:04,190 You don't know what to do with it. 1159 01:11:04,225 --> 01:11:06,848 But I'm going to do it anyway. 1160 01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:10,680 Oh, I'm going to die before I get home. 1161 01:11:16,651 --> 01:11:18,032 Oh shit. 1162 01:11:19,136 --> 01:11:21,138 Okay, come on, give it to me. 1163 01:11:21,173 --> 01:11:22,312 Paul: You got it, right? 1164 01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:24,487 I love Georgia. 1165 01:11:24,521 --> 01:11:26,592 Now I really like everything. 1166 01:11:29,112 --> 01:11:31,804 ♪ I'm saying Georgia 1167 01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,844 ♪ Georgia 1168 01:11:38,501 --> 01:11:42,367 ♪ A song of you A song of you 1169 01:11:44,334 --> 01:11:47,786 ♪ Just an old sweet song 1170 01:11:48,718 --> 01:11:55,380 ♪ Keeps Georgia On my mind 1171 01:11:55,414 --> 01:11:58,383 ♪ On my mind 1172 01:11:58,417 --> 01:12:01,558 ♪ Whoa, Georgia 1173 01:12:02,904 --> 01:12:06,632 ♪ Whoa, Georgia 1174 01:12:08,565 --> 01:12:12,569 ♪ The whole day through 1175 01:12:14,260 --> 01:12:17,816 ♪ Just oh, so sweet and clear 1176 01:12:18,886 --> 01:12:23,649 ♪ Like moonlight Through the pines 1177 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:26,376 Yes, it works. 1178 01:12:26,411 --> 01:12:31,105 ♪ Whoa, Georgia 1179 01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:37,318 ♪ Georgia 1180 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:40,425 ♪ No, no peace 1181 01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:42,185 ♪ No peace I find 1182 01:12:44,429 --> 01:12:47,432 ♪ Just an old sweet song 1183 01:12:48,433 --> 01:12:55,025 ♪ Keeps Georgia On my mind 1184 01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:58,477 ♪ Georgia on my mind 1185 01:13:04,172 --> 01:13:05,381 Yes! 1186 01:13:07,348 --> 01:13:08,763 Yes, I'm good at everything. 1187 01:13:10,178 --> 01:13:11,801 I'm damn good. 1188 01:13:14,355 --> 01:13:15,494 Paul: What did you say? 1189 01:13:15,529 --> 01:13:17,910 Johnny: I said I would feel damn good! 1190 01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:22,087 Oh, man. 1191 01:13:34,271 --> 01:13:35,963 - Are you guys ready to go? - Yes. 1192 01:13:47,181 --> 01:13:48,596 You're ready to go, right? 1193 01:13:58,503 --> 01:14:01,298 Damn, I thought so we are ready to sing 1194 01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:03,473 What the hell did I prepare for? 1195 01:14:03,508 --> 01:14:05,536 Everything will start a little later about half an hour late. 1196 01:14:05,548 --> 01:14:06,828 Oh, no. 1197 01:14:10,756 --> 01:14:14,588 More like 15-20 minutes, probably before we start singing. 1198 01:14:17,107 --> 01:14:21,146 Paul said five or 10 minutes. Five minutes have already passed. 1199 01:14:21,180 --> 01:14:23,597 God, let's sing together! 1200 01:14:23,631 --> 01:14:26,082 Three or four minutes have already passed. 1201 01:14:26,116 --> 01:14:29,534 Well, it's already been 10 minutes, and we haven't gone in to sing yet. 1202 01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:33,192 What the hell are we waiting for? God! 1203 01:14:33,227 --> 01:14:36,230 I say five minutes have already passed. 1204 01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:37,897 Ansgar: Why don't you try to feel good? 1205 01:14:37,921 --> 01:14:40,924 Because I can't. I don't like it to stay like this and keep waiting. 1206 01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:44,272 What reason would I have to feel good? 1207 01:14:44,859 --> 01:14:45,860 None. 1208 01:14:47,379 --> 01:14:49,357 I've always had problems with nerve control. 1209 01:14:49,381 --> 01:14:50,624 Nicholas: Since when? 1210 01:14:50,658 --> 01:14:52,557 I don't even remember when. 1211 01:14:52,591 --> 01:14:56,699 Well, give me an idea how long you've been waiting for lie that you have a problem with nerves. 1212 01:14:56,733 --> 01:15:00,012 Well, since when the fuck did anyone said about me that I would be different. 1213 01:15:02,014 --> 01:15:03,050 Yes? 1214 01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:06,743 That really pissed me off. 1215 01:15:06,778 --> 01:15:09,539 What is the earliest memory of when did someone grab you? 1216 01:15:09,574 --> 01:15:11,610 Well, there were a lot of them of different times. 1217 01:15:11,645 --> 01:15:13,681 He said, "Why are you looking at me so strangely?" 1218 01:15:13,716 --> 01:15:16,097 "What's wrong with you?" 1219 01:15:16,132 --> 01:15:18,790 I answered: "Because I do." I can't help myself. I don't know. " 1220 01:15:18,824 --> 01:15:20,861 Do you think there is something wrong with you now? 1221 01:15:20,895 --> 01:15:21,965 Not. 1222 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,185 Well, controlling my obsession compulsive, I think it's not very good. 1223 01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:26,038 I wish I didn't have to deal with something like that. 1224 01:15:26,073 --> 01:15:28,385 You wish you hadn't been suffering from so many things? 1225 01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:29,594 Not. 1226 01:15:30,249 --> 01:15:31,527 Not. 1227 01:15:31,561 --> 01:15:34,564 No, I never wanted to to look like everyone else. 1228 01:15:34,599 --> 01:15:37,049 I felt satisfied with the way we looked. 1229 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:39,845 Paul: That's how he reacted immediately after the drugs wore off 1230 01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,641 Because he was using drugs to mask this problem. 1231 01:15:42,676 --> 01:15:45,161 And finger twisting it was the first thing he started with. 1232 01:15:45,195 --> 01:15:47,750 These little rituals small ones appeared and then... 1233 01:15:47,784 --> 01:15:49,683 you know, that water bottle thing 1234 01:15:49,717 --> 01:15:52,755 or clock control, that's what he was doing when he was nervous and restless 1235 01:15:52,789 --> 01:15:54,595 As if he said: "Something bad things happen here. " 1236 01:15:54,619 --> 01:15:57,276 Chug, chug, chug... 1237 01:15:57,311 --> 01:15:59,289 When he had the watch on his hand, he sipped water, looked at the clock, 1238 01:15:59,313 --> 01:16:01,636 took a sip of water, looked at the clock. And that every 10 seconds. 1239 01:16:01,660 --> 01:16:03,853 Sip, sip, sip... because a doctor 1240 01:16:03,865 --> 01:16:05,975 he told her it was about dehydrated or something. 1241 01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:11,083 It's usually a good thing to stay hydrated, but he was taking it to the extreme. 1242 01:16:11,843 --> 01:16:13,396 I need a new bottle. 1243 01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:16,202 I could see he was drinking half of it bottle with only small sips, 1244 01:16:16,226 --> 01:16:20,058 and then, half way through it in one gulp and took another bottle 1245 01:16:20,092 --> 01:16:21,715 So, I devised a plan. 1246 01:16:21,749 --> 01:16:25,132 "So that he could not see how empty he was bottle, I put some tape on it 1247 01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:28,007 and then he could relax and he was able to focus on others. 1248 01:16:28,031 --> 01:16:30,482 And so I broke another chain of ticks. 1249 01:16:30,516 --> 01:16:35,763 Then the time problem. such as, we have to be at the hotel at 2:00. 1250 01:16:35,798 --> 01:16:37,869 2:00, 2:00, 2:00. 1251 01:16:37,903 --> 01:16:40,906 And then if we got there at 01:59, 1252 01:16:41,458 --> 01:16:42,598 he said you were lying to him. 1253 01:16:42,758 --> 01:16:44,598 what time is it 1254 01:16:44,807 --> 01:16:47,119 It's 11:45. 1255 01:16:47,154 --> 01:16:48,949 Now, to be fair, 1256 01:16:48,983 --> 01:16:51,503 a lot of people are suffering of this anger of time. 1257 01:16:51,537 --> 01:16:55,093 Especially people who are successful, for this is something that incites you. 1258 01:16:56,681 --> 01:16:58,821 So is this a good thing or a bad thing? 1259 01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:00,995 It's just like what a lot of people say, 1260 01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:03,101 that if you take heroin, you will be a better musician. 1261 01:17:03,135 --> 01:17:06,311 Miles Davis and many others have experimented with it and grew big. 1262 01:17:06,345 --> 01:17:08,106 What happened after that? 1263 01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:10,049 How did you adjust to the control? obsessive compulsive? 1264 01:17:10,073 --> 01:17:12,973 Well, it's just a problem with which I had to get used to. 1265 01:17:13,007 --> 01:17:18,116 They say drugs can help with this problem. 1266 01:17:18,150 --> 01:17:20,843 And when you give up drugs you start hallucinating. 1267 01:17:20,877 --> 01:17:22,890 You are aware of what you suffer when does it happen? 1268 01:17:22,914 --> 01:17:24,432 Yes. 1269 01:17:24,467 --> 01:17:26,572 But it's not something you can do control, or how would you say... 1270 01:17:26,607 --> 01:17:28,126 I try to control it. 1271 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,610 Yes. 1272 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:30,932 I don't know if I'm good with control, 1273 01:17:30,956 --> 01:17:34,166 but I still have fears that i annoy people when i do that. 1274 01:17:37,204 --> 01:17:40,103 That's okay though. you are a rock star, right? 1275 01:17:40,138 --> 01:17:43,003 David Letterman: Our Next guest is a legendary guitarist, 1276 01:17:43,037 --> 01:17:45,395 whose latest album Grammy Award nominee 1277 01:17:45,419 --> 01:17:49,319 pays homage to the great singers of blues of the last century. 1278 01:17:49,354 --> 01:17:51,667 Please welcome Johnny Winter. 1279 01:17:53,116 --> 01:17:57,327 1, 2... 1, 2, 3, 4. 1280 01:17:57,362 --> 01:17:59,778 [Dust My Broom] 1281 01:18:32,673 --> 01:18:34,468 Jay Sieleman: In 1988, 1282 01:18:34,502 --> 01:18:40,094 The Blues Foundation nominated Johnny Winter for the Blues Hall of Fame 1283 01:18:42,062 --> 01:18:44,512 Neither Johnny nor The Blues Foundation 1284 01:18:44,547 --> 01:18:48,068 they didn't know exactly where I was at that moment. 1285 01:18:48,102 --> 01:18:52,900 It is a great pleasure, a great honor, and a show of great respect 1286 01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:55,558 to present to you, Johnny, 1287 01:18:55,592 --> 01:18:59,355 commemorative plaque from 1988, 1288 01:19:00,632 --> 01:19:03,497 with the Blues Hall of Fame nomination. 1289 01:19:06,189 --> 01:19:08,467 [Dust My Broom] 1290 01:19:35,253 --> 01:19:36,737 Almighty God! 1291 01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:38,049 Thank you! 1292 01:19:38,083 --> 01:19:38,946 Wow! 1293 01:19:38,981 --> 01:19:41,466 That was fantastic. very nice 1294 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:42,881 Johnny, good to see you. 1295 01:19:42,916 --> 01:19:45,159 You know, here's what we're going to do. 1296 01:19:45,194 --> 01:19:46,920 - Paul, get us a van. - Okay. 1297 01:19:46,954 --> 01:19:49,785 Uh, and I'll give you some cheap pills... 1298 01:19:49,819 --> 01:19:51,165 Good. 1299 01:19:52,270 --> 01:19:54,617 - Some coffee and some donuts... - Yes. 1300 01:19:54,651 --> 01:19:56,308 And we'll go all night. 1301 01:19:56,343 --> 01:19:57,378 What do you say about that? 1302 01:19:57,413 --> 01:19:59,311 God, let's do it! 1303 01:19:59,346 --> 01:20:01,831 Thank you very much and good night, everyone. 1304 01:20:01,958 --> 01:20:03,798 What was with that joke? What did Letterman say? 1305 01:20:03,833 --> 01:20:05,939 Let's get a van and some cheap pills, 1306 01:20:05,973 --> 01:20:08,665 coffee and donuts and let's go all night. 1307 01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:10,981 I heard the donut part and driving all night. 1308 01:20:12,497 --> 01:20:15,603 The last damn thing what I would do is take a pill. 1309 01:20:19,884 --> 01:20:21,344 Maybe some heroin would be more appropriate. 1310 01:20:21,368 --> 01:20:22,921 Okay, okay. 1311 01:20:23,577 --> 01:20:24,958 No pills. 1312 01:20:26,856 --> 01:20:33,759 Edgar: I think now Johnny has returned to be himself. 1313 01:20:33,794 --> 01:20:35,831 I have to see it again. 1314 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:37,349 This is so cool. 1315 01:20:38,523 --> 01:20:40,421 Paul: 1988, you finally got it. 1316 01:20:41,457 --> 01:20:42,527 It was time. 1317 01:20:43,459 --> 01:20:46,255 Hey, this is so cool. 1318 01:20:46,289 --> 01:20:50,052 Edgar: I hope he will find happiness and fulfillment 1319 01:20:50,086 --> 01:20:52,192 in his personal life. 1320 01:20:52,226 --> 01:20:54,159 And be able to keep playing the music 1321 01:20:54,194 --> 01:20:57,749 whom he loved and of who always cared. 1322 01:20:57,783 --> 01:21:03,375 And the puppy always remained faithful to him, you know, throughout his career. 1323 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,963 1988. 1324 01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:12,281 They brought tears to my eyes. For good 1325 01:21:12,315 --> 01:21:14,490 Man, I love this. 1326 01:21:17,113 --> 01:21:19,357 Come on, take a picture of it. 1327 01:21:19,391 --> 01:21:21,186 Do you want to take a picture with her or what? 1328 01:21:21,221 --> 01:21:22,912 Keep it up and smile bro. 1329 01:21:23,706 --> 01:21:25,225 Oh, I'm smiling. 1330 01:21:26,088 --> 01:21:27,675 I'm really smiling. 1331 01:21:30,575 --> 01:21:32,853 You're going to be 70 soon, aren't you? 1332 01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,372 Johnny: Yeah. 1333 01:21:34,406 --> 01:21:35,994 How long have you been doing this? More accurate, 1334 01:21:36,029 --> 01:21:37,651 how long have you been playing and touring... 1335 01:21:37,685 --> 01:21:39,273 Since I was 15 years old. 1336 01:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,829 I started singing and I did first record when I was 15. 1337 01:21:43,864 --> 01:21:46,936 I started singing in clubs, since I was 15 years old. 1338 01:21:46,971 --> 01:21:49,594 I started drinking and I've been smoking since I was 15. 1339 01:21:50,802 --> 01:21:52,873 Sex since I was 15. 1340 01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:55,876 15 was a magic number for me. 1341 01:21:55,911 --> 01:22:00,398 But it was fun. I don't regret it nothing but heroin. 1342 01:22:00,432 --> 01:22:02,918 I wouldn't take anything like that again if I took from the beginning. 1343 01:22:02,952 --> 01:22:04,712 But... 1344 01:22:04,747 --> 01:22:09,269 all the booze and sex, that would be something I wouldn't give up. 1345 01:22:09,303 --> 01:22:12,582 I wanted to do this again since i was 12 years old 1346 01:22:12,617 --> 01:22:13,929 I was pretty sure... 1347 01:22:13,963 --> 01:22:15,585 that this is what I would like to do. 1348 01:22:17,553 --> 01:22:20,521 I didn't want to do anything else. I didn't even have a plan B, 1349 01:22:20,556 --> 01:22:23,283 that is:" If I fail in music i will do that " 1350 01:22:23,317 --> 01:22:26,148 I knew. I always knew that I will succeed in music. 1351 01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:30,566 I've always been sure of that. 1352 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,328 You think that makes you lucky that you knew what you wanted to do? 1353 01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:35,605 Oh, very lucky. 1354 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,299 I had one of the best lives that anyone could have. 1355 01:22:39,333 --> 01:22:42,543 I was able to do exactly that what I wanted to do. 1356 01:22:42,578 --> 01:22:45,581 To get paid to do it and people to love myself for it. 1357 01:22:45,615 --> 01:22:48,239 It's wonderful. I had a wonderful life. 1358 01:22:48,273 --> 01:22:50,275 How do you think your life would be if it wasn't 1359 01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:51,587 was there heroin? 1360 01:22:51,621 --> 01:22:55,522 It would have been better. definitely would have been better. 1361 01:22:55,556 --> 01:22:58,732 But I had to try it. She was all that mystical idea about it 1362 01:22:59,802 --> 01:23:01,493 and even Janis Joplin said that: 1363 01:23:01,528 --> 01:23:04,876 "The thing that makes you feel so well it can't be that bad" 1364 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,153 She was wrong. 1365 01:23:06,188 --> 01:23:07,775 It can really be that bad. 1366 01:23:07,810 --> 01:23:09,605 It's a terrible drug. 1367 01:23:09,639 --> 01:23:11,710 Why should people see this movie? 1368 01:23:11,745 --> 01:23:14,541 I've been through a lot of shit. 1369 01:23:14,575 --> 01:23:18,338 You know, they're all interesting life stories about people who 1370 01:23:19,339 --> 01:23:22,583 they drank and got into trouble with drugs and... 1371 01:23:22,618 --> 01:23:27,071 problems with women. They are really interesting. 1372 01:23:27,105 --> 01:23:29,049 But usually, the stories these do not end well. 1373 01:23:29,073 --> 01:23:31,282 Yes, but mine ended well. 1374 01:23:31,316 --> 01:23:33,594 1, 2... 1, 2, 3. 1375 01:23:40,325 --> 01:23:43,501 [Highway 61 Revisited]